Cheap out on a lot of things in a build, never the PSU
I’ll also argue you shouldn’t skimp out on a motherboard.
I once owned an Asus Ranger VII. When I turned it on for the very first time, it lost its magic dust, and fried my RAM.
RMA found the MB was faulty, so they covered the RAM too.
This is from ASUS too, so I can only imagine how the chances of this sort of accident rises as you reduce the cost.
I don’t think I’ll ever buy an asus board again. I’ve had so many problems over the years with their boards. I used to think they were quality
I gave up on Asus after a motherboard went up in (literal) flames when a cap blew a month into owning it. The RMAed it and the new one was DOA. They blamed my power supply and wouldn’t do a second return…
I bought an ASRock and it ran flawlessly for 5+ years. Yeah…it was definitely the power supply that was the problem, Asus…
Wow that’s pretty extreme. I found their RMA process to be pretty shitty and I didn’t quite have those terrible issues. I did have to send I think 3 different boards back to them. They were slow and required a lot of communication to get it done. It’s been years ago so I forget details but I remember each time, until the last time, thinking I just had bad luck.
My story was from 15+ years ago when I was less knowledgeable and assumed Asus was the best because people on [H] said so. Afterwards I looked into it and found tons of people having similar RMA woes and I learned to research further than the HardOCP community forum lol
Haven’t bought an Asus product since so I have no idea if they’re still bastards
Gotcha. My issues with Asus spanned from probably about 1999 to 2018. I think they are probably still bastards. I too have owned “lesser” boards that seem to all universally be less troublesome than Asus ones were
ASRock was an Asus spinoff but was later bought by Pegatron (which is part of the Asus holdings).
Well the spinoff seems to be better
Yeah, it’s weird because often enough the spinoffs may even share some infrastructure, but it’s the pricing and support that are different.
Another good example is Virgin Mobile, which belongs to Bell, but their pricing and service are generally better.
Pegatron sounds like it’d be the sex worker Transformer
No that’s Dildotron
Their laptops are equally shit.
Fucking thank you! I feel like I am taking crazy pills when these kids start praising ASUS “quality” and my 20 years in IT and 30 years of being a PC building lad has taught me that Asus and acer are some of the cheapest, most garbage crap you can buy.
I’d go 1. Acer 2. Asus 3. Dell
That’s just from my experience. Acer are the most wank I’ve ever had the misfortune to come across. Asus are little better, but slightly. Constant overheating, super noisy laptops. Dell was almost as bad (if not worse in some ways) in that they were stuttering and super loud. How can you produce gaming laptops, send replacements which still have the same issues? Oh right, because it’s inherent in the models. How no one picked up on it is beyond me. Return the third one I got and never thought about getting one ever again.
Went for a MacBook and never looked back. My Switch, Xbox and Deck do me for games.
I’d agree with that completely. I’m on a Dell now that I LOVE but it’s one of their top of the line XPS that was meant to go up against the Macbook. My work Latitude is a festering pile of dog shit. I constantly am overheating and locking up solid. The fan never stops running, and I’ve had to open it up twice to clean up the fan vents so the cooling system could pathetically grumble along. The thing probably needs the cooling system lapped and thermal paste re-done but that’s way more work than I’m willing to do for a work machine.
And way more work than should ever need to be done on a laptop which needs to work out of the box. I think I had a G7 or something… painful having to reinstall Dota each time just to find that the replacement was also crap.
XPS are the exception to the rule of Dell’s quality, really. I guess the Precisions were also half decent, but I never bothered with them - they were ThinkPads but worse for the same price. Everything else is mediocre to bad.
What brands do you recommend for laptops?
Buy a specific laptop. Not a brand. Brands are a guide at the very best but are generally no indication of how YOURS will work. Also don’t buy brand new models. Get something that’s been out for a few months or longer. Read the reviews and people online who were dumb and bought it when it was brand new. Hell, even get a refurbished model because you know a human being has looked over it from top to bottom and replaced the weakest part that already broke.
I know it’s all antidotal but I’ve been running Asus boards in my PCs for years and I’ve never had a single problem.
*anecdotal
Also, when someone wants to say science is wrong because they’ve personally seen different, it’s “anecdata” (that’s not an official word but I like it 😂)
I haven’t had any problem with their boards either, but that’s a sample size of less than half-a-dozen, strictly AMD-based mobos. Really not definitive, and I believe the people who say they’ve gotten multiple bad Asus boards.
In the end, it’s down to luck. Every manufacturer sends out some percentage of products that have undetected faults or are damaged in shipping. What that percentage is depends on QA and product design. I wouldn’t be surprised to find that Asus had some boards with design issues that led to high failure rates, while others are solid.
My sample size is 1. And it sits under my desk since 2018 along with a “be quiet!” PSU inside a Fractal R6 and doesn’t give any indications of giving up soon. Only issue I had in all that time was that I couldn’t OC the RAM which I gave up on since the rig was fast enough for anything I wanna do.
OTOH a friend of mine was complaining about his Asus notebook a lot recently. The keyboard illumination wouldn’t work anymore from one day to the next (he blamed a windows update), a speaker was snarring and the fans were on constantly.
My sample size is three, with the current one being an X399-A first-gen Threadripper board bought on Black Friday of 2017. The only issue I’ve had that could be attributed specifically to that motherboard was lack of Linux kernel support for the onboard it-87 sensor chip variant at the time I bought it.
Your friend’s notebook sound like everything except the mobo is breaking on him. 😜
Man I thought so. It struggles to boot if I have kt keyboard and mouse plugged into the same USB set. So I can use one of USB2 and one on USB3, but not both on either
I had an ASUS GPU do the same thing once, never had that happen before with any other brand.
I think Nexus and Jay found a lot of Asus products had problems.
The only thing that you can really cheap out on is the case. With all the other components cheaper should just mean getting a lower spec component from an A-brand. Buy a cheap cpu/ GPU/ mobo from Wish or AliExpress you’d get crap.
I think the point is. If you buy a cheap GPU it’ll either be a fake (lower spec with borked firmware) or lower spec branded. So the worst that happens is you have lower FPS, or it just doesn’t work. Same with all other components. They’re rarely off spec to the extent they will damage other components.
But a cheap switched mode PSU? Yeah the failure mode of switched mode supplies without proper protections is a high voltage on the rails feeding your components. They can take out your board, GPU, Drives and depending on what protections the mainboard has, the CPU and RAM too. Not to mention your precious RGB!
I remember back in the 90s/2000s we had a “server” where I worked at the time. I say “server”, the company cheaped out and had a high street PC builder make them. They were essentially desktops in a bigger box with expensive CPUs and things like tape drives. But yes, they cheaped out on the PSU and it popped. It took out a £1k Tape drive, about the same value in hard disks, and pretty much everything else that was connected.
It was not cheap to get that back up and running, I can tell you.
I’d argue don’t cheap out at all, and acquire high quality components over a period of time where it’s affordable. You can build yourself a PC to last the next fifteen years instead of 3. I’m on a first generation i7 still playing modern games at moderate settings, because I poured $1700 into it back in 2011. I am finally upgrading this year to AMD’s newest socket AM-5 with a 12 core chip, which will hopefully be useful for another decade or more.
The old PC even survive a lightning strike, the power supply I selected took it like a champ and sacrificed a bunch of MOVs to save the PC.
6 years on a Ryzen 1600 with an Asus Mobo now. Intel before. Best buy I ever made in my PC-history, apart from my curved WQHD Monitor. Not playing very much but games like CS2, Deus Ex Mankind Divided, Far Cry 5, Yakuza 0, Ghostrunner, Witcher 3 run very well on moderately high settings (Most of them on Linux). If I’d invest in a good AMD graphics-card, I’m convinced I could play most modern games on high settings.
Congrats for going the AMD route. You will be so blown away by your 12-core monster.
Like the first thing I learned about building a pc.
This has been going on for at least a couple of decades now.
PSU buying advice you’d hear from random PC gamers before the age of having a plethora of engaging-to-watch tech YouTubers really would be “if a power supply is heavy, it’s probably good” outside of a slim minority of people who actually regularly read PSU reviews from PC hardware mags and articles.
I’ve seen a PSU with a straight up thin layer of cement in it, as well as bits of metal stuck to the inside. It’s nothing new.
I think we should be fair and give credit where it’s due, that advice may have been going around but more likely in reverse form – “if a PSU is very light something’s wrong”. Any gamer with half a brain has long since learned to buy PSU’s based on reviews coming from reputable testing labs. There have been such labs available for a long time now, jonnyguru.com (Jean-Claude Gerow) started doing detailed PSU analysis around 2006 I believe.
To me this is the most important reason for building your own PC. If you don’t care or don’t want to research each part then sure, get a prebuilt. Otherwise, it’s really nice to know what’s in it and do your research on each piece so you know it’s quality and will be supported.
Warranty is the biggest reason for a prebuilt. Anything goes wrong with it and you’re not spending money on things to test and experiment with. You send it in, it comes back working.
You get warranty for parts too. Unless you meant warranty as a substitute for building know-how.
It’s a convenience factor I think. Send the whole thing away and it comes back working. Opposed to having to find the faulting hardware and determining the type of fault and dealing with the vendor for that specific part in hopes that it’s actually the issue.
I don’t personally view that as a convenience but understand the sentiment. If my PSU died, or something similar, and I had to send my entire machine just to get it fixed, that translates into working downtime for me.
It’s nice to just have some spare parts or your old parts to swap into temporarily while you rma the dead part. Of course, this assumes that you can do a bit of hardware troubleshooting (which I admit isn’t something most laypeople can do).
I’ve given similar advice but it’s more “light is likely no good, but don’t just trust that it’s heavy” as well.
The cement is probably missed with lead to keep the radiation in ;-)
This reads like an AI generated news story about a reddit post.
The sad thing is that it almost certainly isn’t. The spelling mistakes that were made aren’t characteristic of AI generated blurbs which means they paid someone to write this lol.
Yeah this type of “thing in Reddit happens…” articles have been going on for a long time, ever since it took off. It’s what drove me off traditional media and into reddit in the first place, so many articles were “Redditor does this” “Redditor discovers that” that I eventually was like fuck it why wouldn’t I just go to the source of all of this lol
you can easily tell an LLM to sprinkle a couple typos or spelling mistakes into a text
Are you suggesting someone instructed an AI to write an article with typos? Wtf purpose would that serve?
To get exactly this reaction “can’t be ai, it has typos”
Occam’s razor says no to that.
Underpaid tech bloggers playing 4d chess
“Write the article in the style of a junior high student” probably gets close enough to be believable, who needs an editor!
There’s no point in doing that
Yes there is. It clearly creates doubt as to whether it was generated. As exemplified by the discussion you’re commenting to. Bold to come on and just … say something already demonstrated as wrong…
Can you not even understand what’s happening in front of your own face?
Considering that writer is pumping out multiple articles a day, they most likely are to some extent.
I really long for the days that journalists proofread their work for obvious mistakes. Pathetic:
But RedditCringe990 on the PCMR subreddit did, and found a power supplies …
Maybe it’s his accent?
There’s supposed to be copy editors for that sort of thing. It’s their job to have a copy of Hacker and a red pen at their desk.
I worked for a small, local newspaper in high school, and the copy editors would endlessly complain about one of the most prolific contributors. Her articles were nearly unreadable before the copy editors did their work.
I have to copy-edit my own work, and I, too, complain about the illegibility of copy before I fiercely edit it.
Right, this made it past at least two people, assuming they work at all traditionally
To quote Boris the Blade: Heavy is good, heavy is reliable.
If it doesn’t work, you can still hit him with it
“Why do they call him the bullet dodger?”
“… because he dodges bullets, Avi.”
Anything to declare?
Yeah. Don’t go to England.
Jurassic park did it way before Snatch
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
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Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
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Was it made by Kia?
For those of us out of the loop, what did Kia do?
Metal shavings took out some of their engines.
Direct Reddit link in case anyone wants to avoid SEO spam
But now I have to give Reddit traffic.
I’m conflicted
I just looked this brand and model up and don’t see it yet, and I don’t see it on the side of the housing, so I’m gonna guess this doesn’t have a UL listing. That’s usually a good starting point to see if it’s reputable.
Relying on a UL logo isn’t much protection as you must trust that the company is being honest in using it. Best bet is to rely on a company’s reputation, which may not result in you getting a quality product, but it should be safe at the very least.
UL listing is more than just a logo on the product. They run a public database where anyone can verify the certification.
https://www.ul.com/services/digital-applications/ul-certification-database
Good to know. Thanks for sharing the link
Isn’t this pretty common in a lot of consumer electronics? Pretty sure power banks and hard drives frequently have weights added to them
Only in cheap chinese shit. Don’t buy cheap chinese shit. Heavy stuff is heavy because transformers and huge MOSFETs are pricey.
Why? What’s the benefit of adding weights? Surely smaller and lighter is better?
People think weight = quality.
Sometimes it can indicate something is better made, like something made with lots of plastic vs more metal. In a PSU you need lots of metal for the windings, cores, and power stabilization components. It should have some heft to it.
Unscrupulous manufacturers will sometimes throw chunks of metal into an item (like Beats headphones) that do nothing except make a thing weigh more to prey on the sense that weight means better quality.
Feels more premium
In certain devices (batteries and power supplies) there’s a minimum weight that can realistically store or convert a specified amount of energy or power.
So if you buy a 1000w PSU and it’s too light, you’re going to know it is fake. So they add the weight to make it feel right for the power rating. In this case this is a double-whammy of a failure waiting to happen. A PSU with a lower than advertised rating, coupled with a lack of safety circuitry means it’s more likely to fail due to the overload applied, and when it fails it’s more likely to go out in a big way.
I think they were asking about legitimate benefits of adding weights to consumer electronics.
I could see it making sense in a hard drive to dampen vibrations but that’s a stretch
There legitimately aren’t any, so no, I doubt they were asking that.Derp, yes they were, context is important kids! Leaving the rest of my original answer, as it’s accurate:In some handhelds, you might see small counterweights added to make them easier to hold for long periods, or to stop them tipping over when in a table, but for internal components (like power supplies) there’s never a need to add weights.
That’s definitely what they meant, I don’t know why you’re so certain otherwise. Just because a question doesn’t have an answer doesn’t mean it wasn’t asked.
I remember opening up Powmax power supplies and seeing hand soldering and trace tape everywhere
At least they grounded it)))
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