There are many lemmy instances in the world, but currently most people are using lemmy.world. This is why everything has gotten so slow.
You don’t have to delete your lemmy.world account, but check out https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/map it’s a geo-based map of lemmy instances – explore stuff nearest you, pick one, sign up, search , subscribe and begin interacting with your favorite communities. It’s easy, free and it will be faster. Try it!
Something like this needs to be incorporated by devs at the UX onboarding level if you want success.
During mass migration times, you need to really hold new users hands to curate a path towards community ideals. Needs to be as easy as clicking boxes to attempt to create accounts on multiple instances and then app defaults to the local option to start, or something similar.
You’ll only get a few crumbs here and there from dedicated people if it’s that manual of a process.
So can I just start running my only instance on my home server and just let only a few friends use it, then federate with the rest?
The only “downside” from running your own instance is the all page is generated from all the communities that someone in your instance has visited. So with a smaller instance the all page is less diverse.
There’s a toggle to swap the all page to include all federated instances, truly all
Please enlighten me
Yup, if you’re lazy you can use this to set it up: https://github.com/ubergeek77/Lemmy-Easy-Deploy
absolutely, talk to !selfhosted@lemmy.world
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Nice! I just got my personal instance up and running so I may give this a shot.
Been using this for a few days now, extremely useful, much better than searching all over like I was before lol. Thanks for your work!
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That’s immensely useful, thanks! Running it on my own public 1.18.1 instance with no issues.
I tried to migrate to another instance by rejoining the same communities as this account. However I can’t seem to find some of the communities anymore through the other instance’s search page. There’s no indication that there’s any defederation going on.
I still have no idea what a proper community joining process is. I just go to the search page, type it in and scroll through the random comments until I find a link to a community.
If only I could just copy the community link, right now it’ll just open up with lemmy.world again, so I have to go through the other instance’s search page. Please let me know if there’s a guide of any kind.
Edit: Ok you need to manually type the URLs. E.g. if you wanted to open this community on lemmy.ml, type “lemmy.ml/c/fediverse@lemmy.world”
That’s a kinda clunky experience ngl. How is the average normie going to feel about appending URLs in the address bar tho.
Community discovery on Lemmy so far feels incredibly difficult. Even browsing “all” I feel I get the same 10-15 communities in rotation.
How am I supposed to find the medium-sized communities about specific subjects that don’t end up on “all?”
How am I supposed to find the medium-sized communities about specific subjects that don’t end up on “all?”
Search by keyword:
- https://lemmyverse.net/communities
- https://browse.toast.ooo/communities
- https://browse.feddit.de/
- https://lemmies.blue42.net/
Here’s a curated directory: https://sub.rehab/
You can also checkout
Ooh definitely saving this. Thanks for the help
Oh this is great, thank you!
As far as I understand, your instance is only aware of a community on another instance if at least one user on your instance has subscribed to that community on the other instance. Perhaps that’s what you’re experiencing?
That’s interesting.
I’m fairly new and I’m not seeing a lot of chatter about the limitations of Lemmy / other fediverse applications.
I don’t suppose you can point me to where you learned this and/or other information on how information is shared between instances?
Sure, I also have been trying to learn about how Lenmy works. I haven’t yet found a comprehensive overview that details everything though.
From https://join-lemmy.org/docs/administration/federation_getting_started.html
If you search for a community first time, 20 posts are fetched initially. Only if a least one user on your instance subscribes to the remote community, will the community send updates to your instance. Updates include:
New posts, comments Votes Post, comment edits and deletions Mod actions
From: https://join-lemmy.org/docs/users/01-getting-started.html
These previous ways will only show communities that are already known to the instance. Especially if you joined a small or inactive Lemmy instance, there will be few communities to discover.
This issue/post on github has some info: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3062
I would also checkout some discussions on !fediverse@lemmy.world !selfhosted@lemmy.world https://selfhosted.forum
I just put the url in the search box on the Lemmy webui sand search. I find a lot of the time it says nothing found but if I click search a second tinder it finds it so it must be a bug. Then click the community and subscribe.
Community discovery on Lemmy so far feels incredibly difficult. Even browsing “all” I feel I get the same 10-15 communities in rotation.
How am I supposed to find the medium-sized communities about specific subjects that don’t end up on “all?”
Yeah. This is all I see: Software: Lemmy Signups: no
As long as this tool includes people’s personal instances, it’s useless.
“Signups: no” can also just mean that your sign-up will be checked manually, like on older instances like beehaw and sopuli
Yeah they really need to update that binary presentation. Our instance says no registrations, but we do have them open, you just gotta pass the requirements: email, sign up question and captcha.
Wouldn’t this put me at risk of that smaller instance defederizing and removing everything I contribute while logged in to that instance?
This is whats kind of not clear to me. While its clear what the benefit is for lemmy.world or some instance you move from, its less clear what the benefit for the individual moving is such as myself. I have more risk, its a hassle, the smaller server might itself get overloaded or break. Sometimes it feels ‘safer in numbers’. Unsure. Feels like I would be best off if everyone else moved and took on the risk while I stayed and reaped the benefits of them reducing the load rather than me doing it.
Someone explained it a little better in another post. It will not erase my content. So if I’m logged in under my lemm.ee account but post on a lemmy.world instance. If for some reason lemm.ee got defederized, my post or comments would still be there at lemmy.world I would just not be able to use my lemm.ee account going forward.
It seems like this is the way to go like OP says
An export/import for “subscribed” communities would encourage a lot of people to do this.
Theres a userscript. Check at !plugins@sh.itjust.works
Can you link the post? I’m not able to find it.
I think it was this one?
There needs to be a “MigrationPub” spec to export your info to be ready to import into another user login.
If someone’s looking for an instance, feel free to use mine, lemmings.world. As a bonus, you can call yourself a lemming! It’s hosted in Germany.
Thank you! I have taken you up on your offer. 😊
Yay, welcome among Lemmings!
Thank you thank you, happy to be here. 😊
I would prefer if there was a way to ping every instance to find the fastest one. Like this: https://github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instances/issues/12
I would add that the risk of joining a small server is that the owner can suddenly delete them at any time and you would have to start all over again elsewhere. Best thing to do is to make an account on the large instances only.
Lemmy.world has only existed for a month. Why the confidence that it’s here to stay?
It’s run through the Open Collective, and is also run by Ruud who runs one of the larger Mastodon instances as well as some other stuff on the Fediverse I believe. They’re a fairly trusted actor in the space and I think pretty transparent with everything they do which is probably another reason many people flocked there.
Open Collective is a funding platform unaffiliated with l.w
There is a very large range between tiny instance that can disappear overnight and “large instance”. The large instances are actually more likely to disappear as their hosting costs are beyond what a small group of admins can pay out of their own pocket easily, so they vitally depend on donations and that can break down easily for many reasons.
I disagree. The large Mastodon instances have managed to survive for a while on donations. I haven’t seen a large Mastodon instance go kaput (though you can correct me if I’m wrong).
There were certainly some that had to close registrations as their donation base was insufficient for the number of users trying to sign up. And others were sold to very questionable companies as they couldn’t finance themselves otherwise.
But that wasn’t my argument. We are talking about things that can go wrong with instances. Just because you didn’t see any large instances go down in this “nice weather” period, doesn’t mean they are resilient to serious shocks.
A small to medium sized instance that is basically run as a hobby by a few admins and is optimized for being cheap enough to not need donations is the much more sustainable and resilient instance.
Yeah but then you run into the risk of federation/defederation politics. We’ve already have had a major instance defederate.
That is why you would want to choose an instance that aligns with your values, so that if they defederate, it is to your benefit.
I don’t understand personally why Lemmy.world isn’t utilizing load balancing (specifically, horizontal load balancing). Is it due to budget concerns?
For all we know it’s hosted in an old laptop in someone’s basement right?
The dev, Ruud (User Profile), who runs Lemmy.world also runs another Fediverse instance, Mastodon.world. If you go to Mastodon.World you can see their blog posts which talks about their infrastructure and Expenses.
https://blog.mastodon.world/welcome-lemmy-world
https://blog.mastodon.world/april-and-may-2023-financial-update
The VPS package they’re hosted on runs for almost $600 a month with a massive CPU, memory, and storage. I suspect now the expenses are increasing due to the massive influx of users. Now imagine Reddit’s costs serving over a billion people across the planet - Multi-million dollar contracts between Reddits and other corporations, tens of thousands of full-time salary jobs of engineers and devs, etc.
Running a Lemmy instance on an old laptop is extremely trivial. But serving Lemmy to tens of thousands of users is expensive and difficult. Lemmy will improve over time and hopefully we’ll see load balancing and horizontal scaling in the future. I’d love to see additional containers get spun up during large spikes of capacity.
My local instance hasn’t upgraded to 1.18, and it’s 404-ing me when I tried to load this community in that instance. Another friction surface absent with this lemmy.world account of mine.
You could reach out to your instance’s admin, asking them where they are at with the update?
The only instance in my country has “cult” as the 1st word in its name.
Philippenis moments
I think the concerns about smaller instances are valid (as I post from lemmus.org). Some additional data points to consider when evaluating an instance would be whether they’re running a recent version and the uptime of the instance.
It’d probably be a good idea to have a page that promotes these smaller instances that ‘score’ well to help distribute some of the load.
I am planning on moving to lemmy.blahaj.zone soon-ish but I have 2 questions.
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How do I move to another instance?
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Can I move freely? For example, could I switch to lemmy.blahaj.zone to lemmy.world to kbin.social every day? I don;t like the idea of being “tied down” to an instance for a long time.
As far as I know, account migration from one instance to another is currently not possible on kbin/lemmy but with the sudden influx of users and developers I believe it is on the roadmap for at least kbin and likely lemmy too. For now you’ll have to use multiple accounts, but eventually you should be able to migrate if you choose to.
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