The borders Israel has with actual proper states are actually relativly secure for the last decades.

Israel has been occupying land in Syria since last December, so not quite, but also consider: These borders are stable because they’re with large states that are willing and capable of fighting back if they’re attacked. Egypt and Syria forced through this paradigm shift with the October war.

Besides Lebanon that is and even there the problem is not the Lebanese government.

The problem is not with the Lebanese government because the Lebanese government doesn’t do shit when their territorial integrity is violated. Remember that it was Hezbollah and other militias, not the Lebanese government, who fought Israel until it left Lebanon in 2000.

Israel in theory gives Arabic citizens the same rights as Jewish citizens.

Yes, but only in theory. Israeli discrimination against their Palestinians citizens is a lot less straightforward than what they do in Gaza and the West Bank, but iit’s a thing. The short of it is:

Heribert Adam and Kogila Moodley wrote in 2006 that Israeli Palestinians are “restricted to second-class citizen status when another ethnic group monopolizes state power” because of legal prohibitions on access to land, as well as the unequal allocation of civil service positions and per capita expenditure on educations between “dominant and minority citizens”.

There’s also the Bedouin villages thing.

Unfortunatly with Israel being attacked by Arabs on a regular bases, hatred can not be easily fixed.

Please don’t legitimize Israel’s narrative that it’s always being unfairly attacked by evil Arabs. All attacks against Israel are blowback from its own reign of terror and ethnic cleansing over Palestinians. Israel is attacked by Arabs on a regular basis because it attacks Arabs on a regular basis, and they’re dealing out much more violence than they’re getting dealt in return.

I honestly believe a proper peace deal is needed and the only realistic way to get that is to have a two state solution.

I mean the one-state solution exists, but apparently rule 4 prevents me from talking about that around here so just look it up. In the case of a two-state solution, however, a lot of radical reform is going to be necessary on the Israeli side. Classic offenders like the Jewish National Fund obviously need to go, and a lot of systemic racism and legal and practical double standards will have to go. Againz a two-state solution is possible, but it cannot and must not leave Israel in its present state.

The rest is just having a nation state and Israel is not a fully 100% Jewish state right now, as it has a large Arab minority.

A large Arab minority that they systematically oppress and exploit. Palestinians in Israel are closer to black people in America than Jews under Nazi Germany, but they’re still very much a victim of Israel’s Apartheid regime, mostly de facto but sometimes also de jure. Now I’m not saying a two-state solution is unworkable (though I do think it’s unoptimal and also unlikely), but Israel’s government and society would need to be remade from the ground up, not left as it is.

Apartheid is not genocide, as it does not try to destroy the group.

True, but as the last few years have clearly shown in Israel, America and Europe, you can’t stand on the cliff of faacism and hope you don’t fall in; either you pull back in time or you’ll fall right in. Start with a state that explicitly favors Jews over Palestinians and you’re bound to end up with some form of fascism over the long term.

What Fritz doesn’t understand is that you can be very much in favor of the existence of the state of Israel, without supporting the current genocidal Israeli government.

Okay this one is… Well, it’s not impossible, but it’s at least a little self-contradictory. You can’t accept a Jewish state in Palestine without being okay with some level of apartheid; that’s how you keep the Jewish state a Jewish state and not just a state with a big number of Jews. Artificially drawn borders and tyranny of the majority are kind of the name of the game here.

Looks almost exactly like a map of obesity rates.

Man are you a broken record or something? I’ve tried to stay civil but if you want to talk about these things you should answer the damn questions you’re asked rather than repeat your Zionist alt history fanfictions for the umpteenth time. And no, I’m not interested in continuing this “discussion”. People like you will have no sympathy from me when wherever you live is taken over by fascists.

Here’s hoping this trend continues.

Only that they aren’t imagining it but there really are enough groups poised to destroy it.

Okay I’m not getting sucked down this hole again. My question is: How long do Palestinians need to wait? When will Israel not be able to use its existence as an excuse to kill Palestinians? Do you intend to wait until Israel has killed or expelled them all before you stop carrying water for genocide?

“Filthy” was sarcasm if that wasn’t clear. What I wanted to say is: I’m surprised that they’re going to allow Albania, a country with a majority Muslim population, into the EU, because I would’ve thought their bigotry would get the better of them. Islamophobia has been a thing in Europe for a good while and never gotten better if recent election results are any indication. I also took the opportunity to throw shade at European conduct during the Bosnian War because that was fucked up.

Every time the US shows weakness, dictators and warlords and terrorists become bolder.

Warlords and terrorists like Netanyahu?

Trump’s Afghanistan withdrawal

Wait for one fucking second. Did you want Trump to stay in Afghanistan?

I mean I doubt Germans in 1930 saw the Holocaust coming. Give it 20 years.

I don’t think that at least the core supporters of Israel will realistically stop supporting it as long as there is parties in the region openly aiming to destroy Israel.

So never, because Israel will always be able to use one group or another as a “threat” to its security. After Hamas it’ll be Hezbollah, after Hezbollah it’ll be the Syrian government, and so on. Therefore waiting for Western governments to find a “solution” that fots their sensibilities is a waste of time, and we’re back where we started: fighting Zionism tooth and nail whenever and wherever we see it.

So there’s nothing Palestinians can do that would make the West supporting Israel.

Especially China because its oil supply is basically at America’s mercy in a serious military conflict.

Ending the threat to annihilate Israel isn’t one of them.

Fine, so Hamas did that by signing a permanent ceasefire with Israel. What now?

Nevertheless, if you actually want to achieve these countries putting Israel under effective pressure, you’d have to acknowledge and address these threats.

Then why didn’t Western countries pressure Israel to stick to the ceasefire it had signed with Hamas in January? That should’ve been enough for them if they wanted peace.

I was expanding on the other person’s point rather than making one of my own, so okay?

but it’s kind of rich to call this out while providing weapons and political support for another genocide.

And money, don’t forget the money. Setting aside aid from EU countries, the EU is Israel’s biggest trade partner.

Not to make everything about Palestine, but these statements really ring hollow when they’re made about as consistently as watered down soup.

Man these things can be downright farcical sometimes.

Wow, they’re just gonna let filthy Muslims have freedom of movement inside the EU. That’s surprising given major European powers’… uh… interesting position on Islam in Europe in the past.

Context:

Clinton said U.S. allies in Europe blocked proposals to adjust or remove the embargo. They justified their opposition on plausible humanitarian grounds, arguing that more arms would only fuel the bloodshed, but privately, said the president, key allies objected that an independent Bosnia would be “unnatural” as the only Muslim nation in Europe. He said they favored the embargo precisely because it locked in Bosnia’s disadvantage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_War#Bosnian