Something that i find prettyd disgusting these days is how certain people put their political ideologies / viewpoints over human lives, for example, celebrating the russian invasion of ukraine because it is “a blow against US / NATO imperialism” completely ignoring all the warcrimes, the deaths, and the suffering generated by that war, the same happening with the palestinian genocide because “Israel is the only working democracy on the middle east”, acting like their ideoligies are going to bring back to life all the dead people somehow
Born - come into existence as a result of birth. So check mate fundamentalist. Not born, not existent. But sure if you want to argue on a more sane level - than how the fuck is a blastula the same as a whole developed human?
You are also existing in the womb… You don’t just magically pop out of thin air 💀
A one month old baby isn’t a whole developed human either. Doesn’t mean we should kill it. I don’t understand why we are drawing a line at all on when it’s okay to kill somebody. It’s never okay.
But at what point does it actually become a baby and not just a collection of cells? Is an unfertilised egg a baby? Is it a baby as soon as sperm touches it?
Once the embryo properly attached itself
Why that line? We’ve sorted out when a living human is a vegetable, why not use similar standards for fetuses?
Why then?
At that point it won’t be discarded by nature under normal circumstances
But it isn’t able to sustain itsself outside of the body, so why is it alive on its own?
Neither can newborn babies
Yes they can, and regularly do? Obviously they can’t feed themselves but I think you know the difference between that and not being viable to live
Definitely ok when someone is trying to kill you. But the whole point is that the concept of killing does not really applies well to a blastula to beginn with.
I think abortion is fine if the mother might die from giving birth.
So now it’s somehow ok and necessary to draw a line. So you draw the line when the life of mother is in danger - so you are just as pro baby murder as everyone else, how the tables have turned.
If the mother’s life is in danger than both her and the baby would die? But this situation is extraordinarily rare.
That does not really change that you, like everyone else draw somewhere a line where it is ok to kill. Also you chose a point from where on you differentiate between just cells and a human being. It just happens that you chose implantation as this threshold, while at the same time you use things like heartbeat, pain and human appearance as your measures. And that does not add up.
But if the foetus would die anyway, why would it be wrong to spare the mother’s life? I think overall we shouldn’t interfere with the process once fertilisation has happened.
Why do you ask me? I personally believe that abortion is such unique, intimate and personal decisions that society does not have a right to interfere with and should be decided by the mother with help of medical and psychological professionals (if needed). You are the one who said that killing is always wrong and we don’t even need to draw any line when it would be ok.
You are free to do so if you happen to get pregnant one day.