I was already dubious about upgrading from 10 to 11 and this is final straw. I will have to look at Linux options and see if my Windows-only programs will run effectively under WINE.
I’m fucking out. I do a lot of basic IT work, including many fresh installs and new domain users, and I am so godamn sick of having to go through 5 dialogues every single time I open edge. For the local account. Then the domain admin account. Then the domain user account. Fuck this company.
As soon as I can afford to get an AMD GPU or do a swap with someone for my 1070, I’m gone. I used to love computers, but dealing with windows even on a home PC with no “problems”, it just feels like more work.
You can do it with an Nvidia GPU too, you don’t have to switch cards. I’m not sure where this idea comes from, that Nvidia doesn’t work on Linux, 50-60% of users are on Nvidia according to Steam.
It’s because out of the box there’s often issues. For example, my setup with a 3080 booted to a black screen at login. Only futzing in the command prompt via grub let me install the correct driver, and it’s been fine ever since then.
All drivers have to deal with fbdev and EFI DRM shenanigans and there’s no simple solution (if you insist on hiding boot messages behind pretty graphics, or having a graphical console, which most distros do unfortunately, God forbid you should kernel and system messages for 3 seconds).
Until the ancient fbdev stuff will finally be completely obsolete it’s all about compromise. Most often the distro will have a working default, in some corner cases it will backfire. Personally I set my console to text only so I don’t have to deal with any of this.
TLDR it can happen, and not necessarily on Nvidia.
You can disable or streamline that stuff with either group policy or registry keys.
I used to do the same work (several years ago) and I started researching fixes and writing scripts to speed up my work.
Make a to do list of what your computer setup process is. Figure out the earliest you can launch a script (netshare or usb). Then start writing scripts for your tasks.
Installing apps, file transfers and system configs.
I’m talking about supporting an American enterprise environment that handles medical patient data. No Linux workstations really. Easier to comply with HIPAA that way.
Is it convoluted BS? Sure why not. But Microsoft services are really sticky once you get integrated at a large scale (5k workstations plus over 100 servers).
Unfortunately our setup is not that sophisticated and neither am I. It’s a goal we’re working toward, but we’re just caught in a loop doing archaic shit because the workload is too high to fix it.
I’m going AMD next as well, pop wouldn’t run games on my 3080, finally got some running on endeavourOS currently but pop and fedora had lots of issues.
I just tried in February but could be because of the protocol either Wayland or X11, I run 2 1440p 144hz monitors and I think Wayland struggles with that. Have had better luck with arch and KDE x11
Worth considering holding onto the Nvidia card to do a vfio windows VM as a fallback for stuff that doesn’t run well through wine/proton. It wasn’t too hard to setup and its nice to just toss all the games with kernel anticheat/adobe shit into.
oh for what it’s worth. I’ve been using my 1070 under arch with nvidia drivers for years now. It’s problematic sometimes, and configuration is a mess. But it generally works perfectly fine.
It’ll work more than well enough just to test the waters in linux though.
although, to be clear, i am still on X, i hear it’s worse on wayland. But I’d say X is worthwhile if you’re savvy enough. It’s an interesting piece of software history. (and it rarely updates)
This seems promising, do you have any resources I can check out to accomplish the switch? I’ve used some Linux, mostly Debian, so really don’t think it would be all that tough to go through.
You could check out distros like mint, zorinOS, fedora, popos, and Nobara. I think all of those will come with nvidia drivers so you don’t have to set them up manually. Nobara in particular is set up for gaming out of the box, I don’t know how well it actually works personally. You could just install Ventoy on a USB stick then load up multiple Linux distros on it, then just select the one you one to try live at boot. Mint and zorin will be the most familiar.
uhm, me. Or any of the various communities and forums that exist around the internet here are bound to have helpful people. Personally, i bumped to manjaro for a week. And once i was comfortable with it, i learned how to manually install arch linux. From there everything seemed doable, and it pretty much is 4 years later.
I would say it depends on your level of tech savvyness though, if you’re highly savvy, and feel like you could manage it, then i’d say you should give it a shot. If not, there are plenty of simpler distros like mint that will keep your experience heavily curated, muta recently did a video about installing mint actually.
Personally i wouldn’t recommend manjaro, it’s not that it’s bad, it’s just kind of a mess. Long story. Installing arch linux manually or at least skimming through the guide gives you a great idea of what the general linux system is constructed of. Very useful if you ever run into problems with GRUB or something.
If you’ve used debian before and managed, you’d probably be fine, debian is a great choice for a workstation if you just don’t want to think about it very much. It’ll have a lot of old software, but it’s incredibly stable. IMO, the best advice i can give is to spin up a vm, fuck around, and see what you like. Linux is about choice, exercising it is part of the process.
Oh uh, just don’t dualboot with windows, windows has a nasty propensity for nuking disks randomly sometimes, every so often a windows update will wipeout grub (it’s an easy fix but annoying and pretty daunting, if you’ve never done it before) on installs, it can sometime overwrite drives to place a bootloader there, i have no idea why.
If they’re games, protondb (.com) will tell you how well you can expect them to run. Other stuff, it’s often a case of search the web or try and see. Wine takes some getting used to, you’ll probably have to get your hands dirty and do a little learning.
Probably a good starting place would be to take the three apps you need most, and just search the web for guides to running them on Linux. That’ll give you an indication of how much work you might/not be in for.
e: also if a guide says “just run this shell script” even chance it’s not just that simple.
Because I haven’t yet updated from Windows 10 to 11 and had been putting it off. In the past week, though, I have seen a number of news articles highlighting issues I am going to have with Windows 11 and this particular article, indicating that they have been effectively leaving systems vulnerable simply because they have applications they don’t like installed is just not good enough. I’d understand it if they were saying “we can’t guarantee your OS stability with these apps” or “we can’t guarantee these apps will work anymore” if they were removing older API support, but this is ridiculous.
you should also have a look at alternatives as well.
Especially if you do any kind of productivity work. Like video editing or photo editing. Photoshop and premiere are just absolute garbage, even if it requires you relearning an interface, not being pestered with creative cloud is a massive advantage.
Oh and not having to pay for colors. That one is also pretty funny.
Turns out one of the video-editing programs I use (VideoRedo) has shut down anyway (I think the owner passed away) and so I’ll need to look for an alternative anyway - I don’t think I can activate it on new machines anymore.
there are certainly a few options. I’ve been using flowblade as of late, seems to explode saving projects when you update to a new version, and use an old project, for some reason. Other than that it’s been perfectly fine.
I hear people like kdenlive, idk, it seems alright. There’s also the free tier of davinci resolve. And im sure a few others.
I was already dubious about upgrading from 10 to 11 and this is final straw. I will have to look at Linux options and see if my Windows-only programs will run effectively under WINE.
Check out alternativeto.net
Thanks, will do!
I’m fucking out. I do a lot of basic IT work, including many fresh installs and new domain users, and I am so godamn sick of having to go through 5 dialogues every single time I open edge. For the local account. Then the domain admin account. Then the domain user account. Fuck this company.
As soon as I can afford to get an AMD GPU or do a swap with someone for my 1070, I’m gone. I used to love computers, but dealing with windows even on a home PC with no “problems”, it just feels like more work.
You can do it with an Nvidia GPU too, you don’t have to switch cards. I’m not sure where this idea comes from, that Nvidia doesn’t work on Linux, 50-60% of users are on Nvidia according to Steam.
It’s because out of the box there’s often issues. For example, my setup with a 3080 booted to a black screen at login. Only futzing in the command prompt via grub let me install the correct driver, and it’s been fine ever since then.
All drivers have to deal with fbdev and EFI DRM shenanigans and there’s no simple solution (if you insist on hiding boot messages behind pretty graphics, or having a graphical console, which most distros do unfortunately, God forbid you should kernel and system messages for 3 seconds).
Until the ancient fbdev stuff will finally be completely obsolete it’s all about compromise. Most often the distro will have a working default, in some corner cases it will backfire. Personally I set my console to text only so I don’t have to deal with any of this.
TLDR it can happen, and not necessarily on Nvidia.
Well shit, I’m not sure where it came from either, but I took it at face value. Thanks, I’ll be looking into this
You can disable or streamline that stuff with either group policy or registry keys.
I used to do the same work (several years ago) and I started researching fixes and writing scripts to speed up my work.
Make a to do list of what your computer setup process is. Figure out the earliest you can launch a script (netshare or usb). Then start writing scripts for your tasks.
Installing apps, file transfers and system configs.
or you could just use linux.
Sounds like the same level of effort, and it doesn’t try and fight you every possible step of the way.
As mentioned above, this is corporate work and it’s not as easy to sell as Microsoft
yeah i suppose that should be a given though, frankly.
At that point why not run a WDS
Because you’re a level 1~2 technician hired in to support an enterprise windows environment and you have no choice.
Hit the nail on the fucking head.
That seems like a lot of convoluted bullshit just to get your os to work, considering you need to update the whole thing every week.
You sure you haven’t tried arch? Openbsd? You sound like a typical user.
I’m talking about supporting an American enterprise environment that handles medical patient data. No Linux workstations really. Easier to comply with HIPAA that way.
Is it convoluted BS? Sure why not. But Microsoft services are really sticky once you get integrated at a large scale (5k workstations plus over 100 servers).
And when they withdraw support for that feature, do you think laws will cause all the computers to crash?
Unfortunately our setup is not that sophisticated and neither am I. It’s a goal we’re working toward, but we’re just caught in a loop doing archaic shit because the workload is too high to fix it.
Pop!OS has pretty good nvidia support. Try a dual boot.
I’m going AMD next as well, pop wouldn’t run games on my 3080, finally got some running on endeavourOS currently but pop and fedora had lots of issues.
PopOS has been running games fine on my 3070 for many years at this point. It might be worth another try.
I just tried in February but could be because of the protocol either Wayland or X11, I run 2 1440p 144hz monitors and I think Wayland struggles with that. Have had better luck with arch and KDE x11
It could be Wayland issues with Nvidia, I use three higher res monitors, but only 60Hz in X11.
Ah. I’m working with much older hardware.
Worth considering holding onto the Nvidia card to do a vfio windows VM as a fallback for stuff that doesn’t run well through wine/proton. It wasn’t too hard to setup and its nice to just toss all the games with kernel anticheat/adobe shit into.
oh for what it’s worth. I’ve been using my 1070 under arch with nvidia drivers for years now. It’s problematic sometimes, and configuration is a mess. But it generally works perfectly fine.
It’ll work more than well enough just to test the waters in linux though.
although, to be clear, i am still on X, i hear it’s worse on wayland. But I’d say X is worthwhile if you’re savvy enough. It’s an interesting piece of software history. (and it rarely updates)
This seems promising, do you have any resources I can check out to accomplish the switch? I’ve used some Linux, mostly Debian, so really don’t think it would be all that tough to go through.
You could check out distros like mint, zorinOS, fedora, popos, and Nobara. I think all of those will come with nvidia drivers so you don’t have to set them up manually. Nobara in particular is set up for gaming out of the box, I don’t know how well it actually works personally. You could just install Ventoy on a USB stick then load up multiple Linux distros on it, then just select the one you one to try live at boot. Mint and zorin will be the most familiar.
uhm, me. Or any of the various communities and forums that exist around the internet here are bound to have helpful people. Personally, i bumped to manjaro for a week. And once i was comfortable with it, i learned how to manually install arch linux. From there everything seemed doable, and it pretty much is 4 years later.
I would say it depends on your level of tech savvyness though, if you’re highly savvy, and feel like you could manage it, then i’d say you should give it a shot. If not, there are plenty of simpler distros like mint that will keep your experience heavily curated, muta recently did a video about installing mint actually.
Personally i wouldn’t recommend manjaro, it’s not that it’s bad, it’s just kind of a mess. Long story. Installing arch linux manually or at least skimming through the guide gives you a great idea of what the general linux system is constructed of. Very useful if you ever run into problems with GRUB or something.
If you’ve used debian before and managed, you’d probably be fine, debian is a great choice for a workstation if you just don’t want to think about it very much. It’ll have a lot of old software, but it’s incredibly stable. IMO, the best advice i can give is to spin up a vm, fuck around, and see what you like. Linux is about choice, exercising it is part of the process.
Oh uh, just don’t dualboot with windows, windows has a nasty propensity for nuking disks randomly sometimes, every so often a windows update will wipeout grub (it’s an easy fix but annoying and pretty daunting, if you’ve never done it before) on installs, it can sometime overwrite drives to place a bootloader there, i have no idea why.
If they’re games, protondb (.com) will tell you how well you can expect them to run. Other stuff, it’s often a case of search the web or try and see. Wine takes some getting used to, you’ll probably have to get your hands dirty and do a little learning.
Good to know. I don’t play many games, but do have some older ones from GoG that would be nice to keep.
Probably a good starting place would be to take the three apps you need most, and just search the web for guides to running them on Linux. That’ll give you an indication of how much work you might/not be in for.
e: also if a guide says “just run this shell script” even chance it’s not just that simple.
I’m sure you’re aware of it already, but WineHQ provides a good overview over which software runs well under WINE. :)
In the article all apps mentioned are very old versions. I just don’t understand, how exactly this was a final straw for you?
Because clickbait headlines are surprisingly effective.
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Because they shouldn’t be doing this at all. The versions of the apps in question, and even which specific apps, are complete irrelevant.
Because I haven’t yet updated from Windows 10 to 11 and had been putting it off. In the past week, though, I have seen a number of news articles highlighting issues I am going to have with Windows 11 and this particular article, indicating that they have been effectively leaving systems vulnerable simply because they have applications they don’t like installed is just not good enough. I’d understand it if they were saying “we can’t guarantee your OS stability with these apps” or “we can’t guarantee these apps will work anymore” if they were removing older API support, but this is ridiculous.
you should also have a look at alternatives as well.
Especially if you do any kind of productivity work. Like video editing or photo editing. Photoshop and premiere are just absolute garbage, even if it requires you relearning an interface, not being pestered with creative cloud is a massive advantage.
Oh and not having to pay for colors. That one is also pretty funny.
Turns out one of the video-editing programs I use (VideoRedo) has shut down anyway (I think the owner passed away) and so I’ll need to look for an alternative anyway - I don’t think I can activate it on new machines anymore.
there are certainly a few options. I’ve been using flowblade as of late, seems to explode saving projects when you update to a new version, and use an old project, for some reason. Other than that it’s been perfectly fine.
I hear people like kdenlive, idk, it seems alright. There’s also the free tier of davinci resolve. And im sure a few others.