I think you’re focusing too much on voting rights. Even if investors don’t vote on the actions of a company, they have a financial interest in seeing that company grow, which incentivises unethical but profitable actions by the company. Worker owned or not.
It’s actually at the heart of this. I haven’t said it but think about ethical business decision making. How does a business make decisions. How are the decision makers working for. Why do they not make ethical choices.
Share holders do not care about the workers getting higher wages. They are not impacted if a company cuts corners and destroys the environment in someone else’s backyard. They don’t care if Nestle drains a lake in Missouri. The people who care about that are locals.
What if the executives who make the choices to do all those unethical actions actually are answering to locals. That’s what these cooperatives and other models do. They include locals and put them in those relationship with the executive level where the executives need to make locals happy along with other shareholders. It injects more ethical decision making into business decision making. More than exist now.
This model works in place like Spain where it has led to decade’s success during even economic downturns and is reflected in how happy the people are in areas that use this type of model.
This is a purely hypothetical concern that may have already been addressed…
Is there any mechanism that can align local co-op incentives with global problems? So would the factory worker in Missouri care just as little about climate change as the investor in Dubai?
Doubtful, it’s not a solution but it is something I think could be better than having an Elon or Bezos at the helm of these things and praying that the next huge monopoly man may be benevolent. Even though benevolence is filtered out of businesses at a much lower level before a company goes public.
The hope would be that the people in Dubai are also represented. Since they are represented there would be more effort needed to decide to make choice.
And nothing says the people in Missouri wouldn’t just be happy draining their own lake. Point would be that they’re at least getting a say and will have to actually face their community rather than some executive.
It’s a step towards something better rather than a panacea
What if the executives who make the choices to do all those unethical actions actually are answering to locals.
That’s what I’m saying, dude. Sure, the locals have the voting rights. But there’s also a huge pool of external investors who want to see the company make more money. They act as a leveraging effect on the value of the stock, for voters (employees) and non voters alike.
If the company decides to do something good like switch to 100% renewable energy, investors sell and everyone’s stock loses value. The employees see their retirement fund tank.
If the company decides to do something bad like outsource all their labor to children in the 3rd world, investors buy and everyone’s stock rises a lot.
Every decision that the company makes, they’ll have the investors in mind.
I think you’re focusing too much on voting rights. Even if investors don’t vote on the actions of a company, they have a financial interest in seeing that company grow, which incentivises unethical but profitable actions by the company. Worker owned or not.
It’s actually at the heart of this. I haven’t said it but think about ethical business decision making. How does a business make decisions. How are the decision makers working for. Why do they not make ethical choices.
Share holders do not care about the workers getting higher wages. They are not impacted if a company cuts corners and destroys the environment in someone else’s backyard. They don’t care if Nestle drains a lake in Missouri. The people who care about that are locals.
What if the executives who make the choices to do all those unethical actions actually are answering to locals. That’s what these cooperatives and other models do. They include locals and put them in those relationship with the executive level where the executives need to make locals happy along with other shareholders. It injects more ethical decision making into business decision making. More than exist now.
This model works in place like Spain where it has led to decade’s success during even economic downturns and is reflected in how happy the people are in areas that use this type of model.
This is a purely hypothetical concern that may have already been addressed…
Is there any mechanism that can align local co-op incentives with global problems? So would the factory worker in Missouri care just as little about climate change as the investor in Dubai?
Doubtful, it’s not a solution but it is something I think could be better than having an Elon or Bezos at the helm of these things and praying that the next huge monopoly man may be benevolent. Even though benevolence is filtered out of businesses at a much lower level before a company goes public.
The hope would be that the people in Dubai are also represented. Since they are represented there would be more effort needed to decide to make choice.
And nothing says the people in Missouri wouldn’t just be happy draining their own lake. Point would be that they’re at least getting a say and will have to actually face their community rather than some executive.
It’s a step towards something better rather than a panacea
That’s what I’m saying, dude. Sure, the locals have the voting rights. But there’s also a huge pool of external investors who want to see the company make more money. They act as a leveraging effect on the value of the stock, for voters (employees) and non voters alike.
If the company decides to do something good like switch to 100% renewable energy, investors sell and everyone’s stock loses value. The employees see their retirement fund tank.
If the company decides to do something bad like outsource all their labor to children in the 3rd world, investors buy and everyone’s stock rises a lot.
Every decision that the company makes, they’ll have the investors in mind.