Tesla owners are overwhelmingly men, and the most common occupations are engineer, software engineer, and manager of operations, one study found.
If I were rich I would like an EV based on the fact that I hate gasoline.
But I dont trust my road safety on a billionaire crybaby who gets triggered by the word “cisgender”
When our current car dies, I’d like to replace it with an EV - but 0% chance it’ll be a Tesla.
Lots of better options out now. And in 5 years, Tesla may be the worst of them, given how bad their quality control is.
I just wish it wasn’t their charging network that manufacturers were moving to, but I have to admit that it is better than the alternatives. And we do need a single standard like gas.
PHEV because we like road trips but yeah.
This is exactly it for me too. I’m definitely going electric in my next vehicle, but it definitely isn’t going to be a Tesla.
I said the same thing. Then I test drove every EV I could get my hands on and had an appointment to buy the ID.4. Then I finally caved in and test drove a model 3 just to be sure I wasn’t making a mistake. I was making a mistake. The model 3 blew everything else away at a lower price (excluding the Bolt EUV which was just boring an uncomfortable but $10k cheaper). I bought the model 3. I hate Musk and I refuse to buy his overpriced memestock too. But the car is truly fantastic.
you hate the fascist, and you just can’t help supporting and enriching him further, because you got a better deal on a commodity. oh boy, aren’t you smart. and this is how the world ends.
Would you drive a car from the guy who can’t even handle a website?
I wanted a Tesla before the whole children in a cave episode. Then it went all downhill from then.
Not a musk shill, but teslas have higher safety ratings than like every other car, and nasa certainly trusts him with the rockets. Whats going on with twitter either doesnt relate or he doesnt matter enough to be a concern.
Not a Musk head either but I absolutely thank Tesla for the rise in the technology. I love the idea of electric cars, and although I’ll never be able to afford a new one, as I can’t spend $600+ a month on a car, it’s nice to see us going in a better direction and away from fuel.
Well, the website is a bit of a distraction. The car sells well in Europe and China respectively, not just the US. Much like how SpaceX has largely been a success globally as well.
I bet most new car owners are in the same demographic. New cars are expensive as shit these days.
In DFW its mostly indians and asians that drive teslas, especially in Plano and Frisco. Its completely replaced the fully loaded honda accord and toyota camry as THE car to get.
I work in car insurance and noticed this whenever I see a Tesla on a policy too, they’re also usually located in the Bay Area, Texas, or a rich suburb of Seattle.
“Six figures.”
Can we retire this phrase? A lot of these people are earning multi-hundred-thousand dollar salaries. And many of them live in expensive areas where $100k is not some magic number that means you’re rich.
It’s just such a cringey phrase. Not specific enough to be useful, and loaded with economic misconceptions.
The use of “six figures” as a measure of affluence goes back to at least the 60’s… if we use 1970 as a baseline, a salary of $100,000 then is $800,000 today, accounting for inflation.
Inflation isn’t the whole picture , but helps to demonstrate how dated the phrase is.
Agreed. Between my wife and I we gross close to 200k. With a house in a Boston Suburb and 2 kids, it’s solidly middle class. Certainly a far cry from rich.
I think that’s far from Tesla money. I drive a 10 year old VW (Passat) and she drives a 4 year old Honda (Odyssey).
Do you own the house?
Yes (mortgage) but even that was a bit of luck/circumstance. I’m the only child of an only child…when my grandmother died I bought out her house from the estate at a really good price.
Stayed there for five years and poured in a bit of sweat equity.
When we sold it went for over double what we paid. Our new house isn’t anything special (4bed/1.5 bath, 1100sqft 1970s cape-style), but it’s already risen in value nearly 50% since we bought it.
We also refi’d last year. My wife wants to move back to RI and closer to family, but even a lateral move (similar home, similar neighborhood, similar value) would still cost much more than I’d want to pay due to the higher interest rates.
Honestly if it weren’t for my grandmother dying I’d probably still be renting. I have no idea how people afford down payments while also renting and living a life.
Especially in a HCOL area. We aren’t “truly” a Boston Suburb. We are outside the 495 belt and closer to Providence. Still doesn’t keep my modest house from being worth close to half a million now.
I for one am shocked.
The only Tesla owner I know is a Musk-loving, ancap, STEM-bro who probably makes around $160k.
As an engineer, I often find being surrounded by engineers to be exhausting lol
Yes. Teslas are pure fads. And the BEV is just a big greenwashing scam. It just replaces one unsustainable idea with another.
Engineers are easily swayed by hype and propaganda just like everyone else.
As a white male renter with a household income of $37,000 I don’t own a Tesla. So that checks out.
Overall, not surprised.
Couple of points I noticed were missing:
- No race-related data was reported regarding the Model 3.
- No data at all from the Model Y.
These are their most affordable models, so I’m reading this article in terms of the Model X & Model S, and not every owner. The data did say that the Model 3 was predominantly male-owned, and I expected nothing less from a car marketed as a sports car.
A state that was once identified as “Camry California”, the Model Y exceeding Camry sales in the state is a big enough deal to include that data to qualify an article that describes all Tesla owners.
It’s consistent with the idea that mostly tech workers buy Teslas. It does not really sell to people outside this demographic.
Around me, I see lots of soccer moms driving them, and I wouldn’t say I live in a particularly affluent area. I do, however, live near a nuclear plant (11th largest in the world, in fact) and have relatively cheap electricity.
Edit: fucking cry more, @Hypx
Those are often pretty wealthy people.
Til the middle class is considered “wealthy.” Maybe I should be more concerned about people like you screaming that we should eat the rich, since clearly your idea of wealth is based on your own socioeconomic standing and not actual numbers. Just like your understanding of EVs, actually! Hmm, a pattern emerges!
You sound like a right-wing troll at this point.
This is true for me, I have an S.
I’ll also never buy another tesla again but I’ll drive this until the wheels fall off. It’s 5 years old now.
Always refreshing to see somebody who owns one of these cars and hasn’t immediately forgotten all expectations of build quality from an automotive manufacturer. I’ve seen intelligent and analytical people just turn their brains off at the suggestion that these cars aren’t perfect, when the procedure for getting one repaired reads like it’s from Apple.
How is the battery holding up? All Tesla owners I know sold theirs before the 2 year mark worrying that they might need to replace the battery for the price of a new car, always sounded like a misconception to me.
Holding up fine. I’m about 7% degradation, 2018 over 80k miles on it. 100D. I’ve been very happy with it as far as anything goes. Never serviced, just a few things like lights that I needed replaced.
The thing gets me about the “$XX,000” battery replacement figure is that people are talking about the dealer quote for a battery replacement. If your vehicle is in warranty (and Tesla has an 8 year battery warranty), then the dealer replaces the battery for free. If it’s not under warranty anymore, there’s no reason to get your battery replaced at the dealer. Third party shops will do it for a fraction of the cost.
Are you me? Lol
No thats me, im u
This seems more about demographics than tech. Just sayin
I always wanted a Tesla. I’m now in a position I could buy one comfortably, but now I have a spine and won’t.
I’m a white man who falls into that category, I’d never own a Tesla, they’re too fucking expensive. Maybe I’ll get an EV some day, but it won’t be a Tesla. For now, I’ll stick to my 6 year old car that still runs well and didn’t cost me a second mortgage.
That’s okay you can buy me a tesla
In years past, I toyed with the idea of getting a Tesla, but they were always too pricy for me. As I’m approaching 10 years on my current vehicle and have a 50+ mile one-way commute for the first time in 15 years (one day a week, but still…), I’m wondering if replacement will be sooner or later. I’d like to go EV or at least hybrid, but I know that it won’t be a Tesla in any event.
I did have a coworker several years ago who imported a Honda Fit EV from California. He was not exactly happy in the winter when he had to trade heat for distance. I imagine things are better with newer models.
IMHO Tesla is too unreliable. There are enough EVs available that are more reliable (and cheaper).
I just want an EV that is:
-Reasonably priced.
-User repairable/modifiable.
-No stupid luxury gimmicks (fake “self driving” or “self parking”, 360° cameras for outside view, electronic locks that will most likely fail in a couple years, etc…)
-NO FUCKING SUBSCRIPTION SERVICES like those stupid heated seats!!
Hyundai announced they’re not doing those stupid subscriptions, might be worth considering.
Edit: more like making it free to use as long as you’re the legal owlet owner of the car, still better than the other manufacturers
-User repairable/modifiable.
It’ll have to run on a couple of AAA-batteries then.
This is why BEVs are fundamentally just a fad. It is a toy for rich white men and little else. It is fundamentally too expensive for normal people. They’re not even the most important car in the household, and is usually just the second car.
In the 90’s you could’ve written an equally true headline replacing “Tesla owners” with “PC owners”. It’s not an indication that BEV’s are a fad, it’s an indication that wealth inequality and sexism continues to this day.
There is no Moore’s law of batteries. BEVs are always going to be fairly expensive compared to other types of cars. They will not magically improve like PCs have.
Not to mention BEVs are old technology. They literally pre-date internal combustion cars.
@Hypx There’s no Moore’s Law for batteries because they’re a different technology. Transistors today are still fundamentally the same as the first transistor, made in 1947. Batteries, on the other hand, are constantly evolving. The first LiPo battery wasn’t invented until 1997, and there are multiple new battery technologies currently being studied, like solid state batteries.
Are you seriously joking? A transistor today is much smaller and faster than what existed in 1947. That is what is driving Moore’s law.
Batteries evolve only very slowly, and run into hard physical limits at every step. As a result, BEVs are very expensive and have major downsides like weight, long recharge times, etc.
@Hypx Yes transistors are smaller and faster, that’s the literal definition of Moore’s Law. But a transistor today is a smaller, faster version of the exact same technology as the first transistor, applying a small signal to pass current between doped semiconductor junctions, the only major difference being changing the semiconductor from germanium to silicon.
Batteries, however, are fundamentally different from when they were first invented. Yes, it’s still storing electrical energy as chemical energy, but the chemistry has changed so much since the first batteries. The word “polymer” wouldn’t even exist for another 20 odd years. And new technology is constantly being discovered, such as solid state batteries or supercapacitors.
And if you want to talk about physical limits, Moore’s Law is essentially dead. We’re nearing a point where you’d have to split atoms to make a smaller transistor. Batteries are limited by their chemical makeup, transistors are limited by the laws of physics.That’s ridiculous. You basically admitted that we switched from germanium to silicon, but that this apparently doesn’t count as a difference.
Not to mention that this is massively off-topic. The point is that batteries do not improve as fast as transistors did in the 1990s. Hence why an analogy is wrong.
And if you are aware that Moore’s law is (more or less) dead today, then you should understand the problem that batteries are facing. They too are hitting hard physical limits. You talk of solid state batteries but they are nowhere to be found right now. Clearly, this is a hard problem and future batteries will not magically be far superior.
But ultimately, there are other green ideas not called the BEV. Including other types of EVs. This is why I try to make it clear that I am talking about BEVs specific. Not EVs in general. Once other people become aware of this fact, it will become much clearer that the BEV is a fad. It is an expensive and very limited idea. It is arguably an idea stuck in the mid-2000s, and its advocates have simply failed to move on.
I think the point that is counter to yours is that we are nowhere near the fundamental limits of energy density for batteries. It’s probable we are near a fundamental limit for LiPo, but the point is that battery tech improves by changing technologies/chemistries. BEVs couldn’t exist at all when the best rechargeable battery tech was lead-acid, but were enabled by LiPo. Theres most likely a type of battery you can’t even imagine that has yet to be invented that could store >10x or more energy than current LiPo per unit cost or mass.
There’s plenty of BEVs that are competitively priced to any other new car: https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g32463239/new-ev-models-us/
They might not be the car you choose to take on a road trip, but most days, I only need to drive less than 20 miles anyway.
You’re joking? The first one on that list is literally the Hummer EV. Completely unaffordable for most people. This is just more evidence that BEVs are a fad, not the other way around.
And there are 5 other cars below $40k. Just because 1 car is expensive doesn’t mean others are.
The list is dominated by SUVs and pick-up trucks. The “below $40k” market is all subcompacts or compacts and are the equivalent of $20k ICE cars. It is not a competitive technology. If anything, it just proves how underwhelming BEVs actually are.
https://www.caranddriver.com/chevrolet/bolt-euv
So you just have a hydrogen full cell manufacturer’s name as your username and post extensively in https://kbin.social/m/Hydrogen for fun or do you think you maybe have a conflict of interest here and are being disingenuous?
Because I want to tell the truth, not swallow marketing propaganda from Tesla. In reality, BEVs are a fad and no amount of wishful thinking will change that.
The name is a coincidence. I’ve used this name for a long time (from elsewhere to be clear).
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Do you have anything to support this? EVs are increasing share of the market so when do you estimate that will end? Do you also think EVs are a fad in China?
