IMHO, Doctors have a duty of care to whomever is their patient. I don’t care whether that person is the second coming of Christ or the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler, they are entitled to effective care.
That’s not to say that they can’t be tried for their crimes, but the administration of justice is a different job from the administration of medicine.
That’s cool that you think that, but it’s far from a universal truth.
I believe it should be. A lot can be gleaned about a society’s morals & ethics from how it treats its criminals (and arguably crime in general).
I don’t necessarily agree, but I get your point.
Do you know about the Hippocratic Oath ?
Physicians are not judges. Their duty is to save lives, no matter how evil or good said life is.
Because a living terrorist can pay for its crimes, and may one day understand the evil of his way, no matter how slim the chances are.
A dead one won’t. Even worse, it can become a martyr to his people and encourage others to follow his path.Once they are fit to be incarcerated and judged they will. But for now they are a life that can be saved. That’s all that matters for a physician.
Yes. The hippocratic oath is not universal law.
Doctors are free to break it, and I will not chastise them for doing so in the case of their enemies.
You are right. It isn’t universal, nor is it a law in many countries. Still, it is an oath that many take, and this is why they won’t refuse to treat anyone, even their enemies.
The relevant part, albeit not part of the original oath, can be summarized as “help, or do not harm”. And not helping a wounded person when you could is considered by many of their peers as harm by inaction.
Of course you won’t chastise them for breaking their oath, you don’t have the power to do anything anyway, but their peers will, and it is almost impossible to find work in this field once you are identified as an oath breaker.
On the other hand, there can be some triage during such an event, and if the hospital is too full, guess who will probably not get priority over their victims?
it’s a universal truth that anything other than that will just end up in the following situation:
you have to decide how good or bad each patient is before you treat them.
What if it’s a terrorist, but they’re not in a uniform? What if they’re unconscious? Do you simply not treat anyone unconscious until you’ve given them a moral test? Should people who support a woman’s right to choose get healthcare? Some would say no. Why say Hamas militants are bad when the armies of the USA, Britain, Germany, France have committed atrocities? Should doctors not treat anyone in the military? Current or past? What about people who’ve been in a fight? Smokers? Drinkers? The overweight?
In the end you have to go back to “just treat everyone”.
It’s not a pure universal axiomatic truth, but it’s still a truth
Yeah, but doctors are people too and I don’t think they have a moral obligation to treat people who kill and rape their family.
It’s part of me not being autistic. I can see nuance in these situations and don’t cling to easy absolutes.
how do you know that, if your sister was killed, and I trip and break my leg, I’m not your sisters killer? You’d have doctors who couldn’t treat anyone until we could prove without doubt their patient wasn’t a killer.
Imagine having a contagious disease that needs urgent treatment and the doctor sending you back home to inject the rest of the world because you were in a car crash where someone died
I think you are the one clinging to absolutes here.
Okay, buddy. I can see you will not listen to reason here, and that’s okay. I’ve come across many people like you before.
I’m just gonna duck out and tell you to have a nice day.
I hope you do so.
“listen to reason”
the reason: “I am not autistic like you”
ok buddy have a good one
Lol, you apparently think everyone is worth arguing with which proves my point.
That’s also an incredibly unlikely scenario that I would wager no human being has ever actually faced. We should build societal rules and norms around things that generally actually happen, not the most extreme or ‘nuanced’ versions of a scenario we can imagine.
By your logic we should have one hospital and a unique set of staff for each religion, one for felons, one for each race, etc. So that each doctor can work only on patients that they think deserve their help.
That’s also an incredibly unlikely scenario that I would wager no human being has ever actually faced.
That’s because I’m not advocating for your hyperbole, that doctors should judge whether each patient should be treated.
By your logic
Not really. That’s your own hyperbole.
I responded with hyperbole to your hyperbole about doctors being forced to treat patients that had raped and murdered their family. But anyway, you’re clearly set on seeing it your way, and lacking in critical think skills, so have a good day in your own little world buddy.
What are you talking about? Present a valid argument and you may change my mind.
I responded with hyperbole to your hyperbole about doctors being forced to treat patients that had raped and murdered their family.
What? Your hyperbole was assuming doctors would be judging whether each patient should be treated. You made that comment before I commented about doctors treating patients who kill and rape their family.
Might want to brush up on your reading comprehension, lol.
I am glad to see humanity in some people amidst fighting between monsters.
I agree, and I do hope they are put to fair trial.
Unfortunately I’m also aware this could just be pushing a narrative - the whole thing is such a mess.
Talk about a test of principles for those doctors.
Israel shut down electricity, food, and water to Gaza. Idk fam where are they supposed to get medical care?
The west bank (under fatah) has Medical care.
Fatah has also expressed support for hamas.
Apparently someone has never watched MASH
A wounded Hamas terrorist, one of the thousands who invaded Israel in order to massacre Jewish civilians, was found in the area of the Be’er Sheva Airfield and evaluated in a Magen David Adom (MDA) ambulance to Sheba Tel-HaShomer Medical Center, where many of Hamas’ victims are hospitalized.
Several other terrorists are receiving medical treatment in Israeli hospitals, including the Soroka, Barzilai, and Beilinson hospitals, alongside Israelis and foreign nationals who survived Hamas’ massacre of 1,200 people on Saturday.
The Health Ministry stated: “The party that transports [the wounded terrorists] is the IDF. The Director General of the Health Minister discussed the matter last night with the Director General of the Defense Ministry to prepare for their treatment in Israel Prison Service facilities and not in civilian hospitals in accordance with the policy of the Health Minister. The dialogue is still taking place between the ministries in the hope of a breakthrough soon.”
Following the reports of the Hamas terrorists being hospitalized alongside their victims, Health Minister Moshe Arbel wrote to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu about the issue.
"Since the beginning of the fighting, the issue of treating the wretched and despicable Hamas terrorists within the public hospitals has caused tremendous difficulty within the healthcare system.
"In these difficult times, the healthcare system should be fully focussed on the treatment of the victims of the criminal massacre, the IDF soldiers, and preparing for what comes next.
"The task of securing and treating the wretched and despicable terrorists within the public health system significantly harms these efforts and therefore, under my guidance, the public health system will not treat them.
"The handling of the matter should be entrusted to the IDF or the Israel Prisons Service, and of course, the Ministry of Health is ready and willing to assist these bodies, as needed.
“I will ask for your immediate guidance to implement this instruction among all the aforementioned bodies,” Arbel’s letter concluded.
Earlier, it was reported that Hamas terrorists who infiltrated Israel on Saturday have been using credit cards stolen from the homes that they broke into during the massacre.
The families of the kidnapped and murdered, and families living in the Gaza border area, on Wednesday morning said that they looked at their credit card charges and noticed that the cards taken from their homes and from those kidnapped are being used in Gaza.
Former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, who was notified of this by the families, said, “I spoke with the CEOs of the banks and credit card companies. The companies are following the lists of murdered and kidnapped (which are not complete lists), and they are also blocking all sorts of purchases from Gaza.”
Hamas must have good insurance. /s
Weird that they’re using stock photos instead of using that space to provide evidence
I’m surprised it’s not AI generated.
The IDF is now reporting Hamas is now sewing extra limbs onto people?
https://www.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/ai-fails-10-64a27461394f0__700.jpg
They also said they were beheading babies, but when asked for evidence they answered that “is disrespectful” and so no evidence. So that was bullshit. 🤷♂️
