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    11 months ago

    Yeah, all the time. It’s the easiest way to identify a troll from a random idiot. I don’t have a problem with random idiots, if someone genuinely likes Trump and believes in authoritarianism, that is fine by me. I don’t like them, but at least they’re engaging in good faith. I can understand and work with that.

    But, when their comment history is full of pushing people’s buttons or a wide, inconsistent variety of opinions, then it becomes pretty clear that being shocking is the goal itself. That’s an obvious troll, and should be dealt with as one.

    edit: Note, I don’t bother voting while I’m there, so I answered inaccurately. I’m just sleuthing to find out if engaging at all is worth my time. If it is a troll, I actually don’t downvote anything, as large downvote tallies amuse them. If it’s probably not a troll, I don’t downvote then either, but I know I can go back to the original comment and actually talk to this person like a human being without wasting my own time.

    So, actually I don’t downvote through people’s comment history. I do skim quickly through them though, reading for good-faith engagement. Or a lack of it.

    I don’t upvote very often either, since I’m reading and scrolling too fast to bother. Unless I run into a really good post or something, enough to make me stop skimming for a second.





  • It’s been this way for weeks, actually. I haven’t seen a graph of the uptime, but I’m sure one would look extremely ugly, based on my own user experience.

    This right here is an alt, and despite the fact that I don’t prefer to comment from it, since I won’t necessarily check in soon to see replies, it’s seeing some heavy use.

    The attacks a few weeks ago weren’t a one-off, they never stopped. It seems down maybe half the time or so?

    One of the many ways we (all of Lemmy) are not quite ready for the mainstream yet, we still have basic technical/security issues to resolve. Soon, though.



  • Problem with attacking stupidity is its not necessarily fixable. We do not attack people over things they cannot change, like the color of their skin or their sexual orientation.

    How do they change their innate intelligence? We’re not all gifted with the same amount. Can your system apply to someone who takes 5 minutes to learn the definition of even one new word? Someone who needed remedial classes, because the average classes were beyond their ability?

    We need a system that allows for them too. So, asking for intelligence is asking too much, so that the execution of the method is easily within everyone’s capabilities. Thus, back to the drawing board.



  • We’re getting there, still in the very early stages here. One thing I’ve noticed is how extremely techy the initial community here was, something I personally collided with like a bit of a wrecking ball. People in general, not just techy people, tend to assume others will approach things similarly to how they naturally do. So they don’t necessarily always see problems that others might stumble over, ahead of time.

    Now that we’ve started growing more rapidly, these problems of scale, where they now have to anticipate problems they did not have to anticipate before, all are coming due. So, growing pains.

    This is why I have not been inviting people to Lemmy yet, I’ve been waiting until it’s more polished for the mainstream. It’s also why the graph is trending down. We’re literally not ready yet for the mainstream, in many, many different ways.

    Also useful to remember, we’re only done getting big growth spikes if spez is done pissing off reddit. I doubt he is.








  • Sure, that’s fine and good, dialogue to your hearts content. But don’t think fixing them is our job. Only war could save the Uyghurs, providing it did not go nuclear. And fighting a war against China is dangerous…

    Their entire race is, unfortunately, dead men walking and there’s not a damn thing we can do about it. China simply does not have to listen to our wishes. We need to worry about our people, not policing the rest of the world.




  • As possible as anything else, but it would be unusual. I find it strange that people are so eager to reach for unusual explanations when the actual, conventional extremist trolls absolutely exist. This would be 100% in-character for them, and would benefit their goals very clearly.

    Occam’s Razor.

    Additionally, they would try to point the finger at absolutely everyone except for them, as that would clearly serve their goals of general misinformation and distrust.


  • Yeah, we need to spread out a little more. Fediverse is not about having centralized concentrations that can be targetted.

    Ideally every minor Instance could have one major community located there, that could serve as the central space for that particular community. That’s pretty impossible of course, but it paints the picture.