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If it goes that low before gen 3 is out, I hope I got cash available.

If it goes that low after gen 3 comes out and fails, not so much!

It was very obvious 2024 was not going to meet the 50% goal and they’ve been warning us for years about it.

50% with some years over and some years under based on when we do vehicle launches is what they’ve been saying for quite a long time now.

The only way 2024 was ever going to be above that trend line, or even in its vicinity is if the Gen 3 platform launched, and it’s been clear for over a year now this wasn’t happening in 2024.

Probably like mid 2022 this was the obvious outcome for 2024.

And yet everyone is acting like the sky is falling.

The sky is falling when gen 3 comes out and it doesn’t sell well at reasonable profit. If it sells with reasonable profit, everyone is going to be hospitalized with whiplash as they start spiking deliveries again and March their way to 7-10 million vehicles based off the platform (multiple vehicles in the platform)

But ya, 2024 is a dud year. It’s been a dud year vehicle wise for over a year already.

Wait… what was toilet paper before it was a roll? It’s one of those things you just think always was…

GOP: well, we gave it back to Russia, but we still have American citizens there, so we’re just going to keep 2 senators to ensure they’re represented.

Dems: but we need to get representation for Puerto Rico and DC!

GOP: they’ve never had it, we’re just trying to keep the status quo!

This sounds like a set up for if Trump wins.

Trump: Im the world’s savior, I prevented World War 3 with Russia by giving them back their illegally stolen Alaska. No president has ever done anything so great for the world!

I wasn’t talking about FSD, I was talking about AP.

Although if you use FSD, to sign up, you need to acknowledge this (among other things)

“Full Self-Driving is in early limited access Beta and must be used with additional caution. It may do the wrong thing at the worst time, so you must always keep your hands on the wheel and pay extra attention to the road. Do not become complacent,”

If it leaves Beta in V12, and that warning is gone, there will be problems probably =( It’s not ready to lose such an extreme warning. And it legit shouldn’t leave beta until they take on liability and it’s legit FSD.

When you sit in the car, it really doesn’t though. When you enable it, it clearly warns you about the dangers involved and to always pay attention. The radar versions even warned you about specific situations it would fail in and potentially cause a fatal accident. All cars that rely on radar have that issue and warn their users.

Anyone who’s used it knows it clearly has problems, and honestly, it can be a little nerve racking getting used to using at first as well, because it does have problems and you need to learn them. My partner doesn’t like using it because of those problems.

The majority of people causing accidents on it have simply grown accustomed to it. They know when it will usually fail, and then make poor choices and end up in a rare circumstance. People are just people and make all sorts of bad choices. Some people follow the GPS off a bridge or into a lake.

That’s not to say I don’t think there’s room for Tesla to improve on this, like using the in cabin camera to further help detect if someone is paying attention or not, but ultimately it falls on the driver to pay attention.

If you happen to be given a Tesla with AP already enabled on your profile, and you’ve only gone off what you heard in the media then sure maybe, but those aren’t the people causing problems. And really, if you rent a Tesla, I really do hope it’s all disabled by default so you have to turn it on and go through the setup. That would be a legit problem in my mind otherwise.

I’m going to get downvoted to hell here, but if you defend google here, you should be defending Tesla when someone severely misuses auto-pilot.

Play games on AP and don’t pay attention causing crash, not Tesla’s fault. Drive off a bridge cause the GPS tells you to, not Google’s fault.

You’re responsible for driving your car at all times.

Energy density on these are woefully inadequate for cars, but that doesn’t matter for stationary storage which is what this is for.

daaaaaaamn. That’s brilliant.

Was just thinking on this more and had a laugh at someone saying this out loud

Them: “Did you see my X last night, i ripped them a new one!”
Friend: “You did what to your ex last night? Does your wife know!?”

I wonder what term will replace tweet… it worked so well. Oh I tweeted this last night…

People aren’t going to say I X’d that last night. Sure you can say I posted something on X or I dunno, but I don’t think they’ll ever get something as good as tweeting on twitter.

Please find me a post by Elon where he supports people jailbreaking his cars to get features for free that isn’t about a white hacker hacking competition to expose bugs.

We don’t pay for phone updates, but there is software out there that’s a buy a version and get all updates to that version, but not a new version.

E.g buy 5.0, get 5.1, 5.2, 5.2.1, 5.3 etc but not 6.0

Usually that kinda software stays on a version for years.

My Jetbrains IDE is a subscription fee like that. Yearly fee gets you all major version updates, but you keep it as is if you stop paying.

Phone updates don’t come for the life of the car phone either.

Would you pay a yearly fee to continue getting updates for your now no longer being updated but perfectly fine otherwise phone? I would.

If your problem with my statement is that Tesla shouldn’t even be allowed to charge them for it in the first place then we’ll have to disagree. They can sell whatever product they want with features locked away. If people don’t want to buy a SR because it doesn’t have heated seats without a fee then don’t buy it.

Trying to make heated seats a subscription is where I’d draw the line and say regulators should step in.

And again, no qualms with people jailbreaking heated seats

See my original edit which was before this reply, and my follow up to another person on the same post replying like you.

I’m not objecting to unlocking heated seats. I do object and consider something like FSD entirely different though.

You left with the hardware, and accepted that it was locked. You didn’t pay for access to it.

In my edit which was well before your reply, I explicitly stated I’m okay with you bypassing a lock like that to gain access to heated seats. You have a right to modify your car and tough luck if tesla didn’t protect it well enough. That’s not your problem, that’s theirs.

FSD is another matter though. It’s actively developed software that’s pushed to the car if you paid for it. Software that will in the future push liability onto Tesla if they are successful. Tesla doesn’t have any obligation to provide that software, updates, or access to it regardless of any hack that’s done, and I imagine the NHSTA would even require them to devise a way to prevent access due to liability issues that might arise.

Edit: one is accessing something you own but don’t have access to through a hole they left open. The other is piracy/theft

You didn’t pay for it.

Tesla includes it at loss because it’s cheaper than making you a special version without it, and it opens up new sales by reducing the price (e.g the originally locked batteries let them sell a substantially cheaper car than they could have otherwise)

Subscriptions for that should be banned, but including heated seats and making you pay once to access them is fair game.

Manufacturers dont owe you anything for free.

Edit: also, short of something like FSD which depends on future work from Tesla, I don’t think they have a right to prevent you from bypassing a lock and accessing those heated seats if you can

Well the good thing is they were able to reproduce it themselves so they won’t drive themselves fully crazy trying to narrow that down, assuming not a scam.

I wonder how much you could automate that all to remove as much human factor as possible and be down to exact times if needed.

Reminds me of race conditions in programming.

1 in 15 times the bug happens and you can’t figure it out, but if 2 asynchronous events happen to happen within 10ms of each other it breaks.

Could be some super specific timing on one of the steps where a discrepancy of a short time doesn’t seem meaningful but is