There are literally the same sects represented in the delegations, lmao, the groups were religiously diverse.

Do you even know what sects of Islam they follow? Quick, name them.

Oh wait, youre just making stuff up as you go along. There are uyghurs in both major sects and the delegation included both major sects of Islam.

Okay, thank you for demonstrating that you unironically believe muslim countries are more bigoted against Muslims than a country which has routinely committed genocide against muslim populations over the last half century and is current involved in supporting one as we speak.

Oh my god, the police files that included ai generated mugshots, published by Adrian Zenz, a literal German fascist who says God has given him a mission to destroy China?

Also just take a look at historical basis, genocide has happened many times throughout history. Do you assume genocide has never “worked” and only creates more resistance?

Genocide creates more violent resistance when it is escalating, even if it eventually wipes out most of a population. Can you name an example of a time when this doesn’t hold true?

The same applies to you? Why do you have faith in chinese affiliated media, who has a vested interest in usurping US footholds and making deals with chinese markets?

Why do you think I primarily rely on Chinese media? I primarily rely on looking at US media through a critical lense oriented around Marxism and anti-colonial theory. I also talk to Chinese exchange students about their experiences in China.

Dont act like china doesnt have a history of repression like every other major world power. China isnt special, or new.

I’m not arguing that, but that is not an equivalent claim to the claim you are making. You are making much worse claims.

They arent your friend, theyre the next US.

Nah this is just enlightened centrism. China is of course a state and states do repression but they are significantly less economically exploitative than the US. They are also exceeding their climate goals while the US lags behind.

They dont care that some historians say it doesnt work, the same argument applies to the japanese concentration camps in the US during WW2.

They aren’t doing concentration camps though, because if they were, we would see violent resistance increasing. This has always historically been the case. You must learn from history or you’ll believe anything.

Its embarassing to watch you, in the same paragraph, try and mock trusting 1 faceless monoliths propaganda while unquestionably parroting anothers.

I’m not parroting their propaganda. Their propaganda paints a much rosier picture about it. Things are not great but the way they have dealt with extremism has respected their culture, even though there are cases of nonsystemic abuse and their methods toe the line on what we would consider acceptable standards of evidence. (Although detaining someone in school is different than detaining someone in a labor camp like the US does to its prisoners, and the standard of evidence that the US uses also often falls behind our acceptable standard of evidence)

Did you actually read the report? They literally cite CIA front groups like VoCMF.

Also, just look at it from a historical basis. Has any anti-terrorism program that revolved around repression ever worked, and not just created more terrorism? Does China have a reality altering device that lets them do repression without creating more terrorism, or have you been lied to, given that terrorism has precipitously declined as China has invested in their counterterrorism program primarily based around improving the material conditions in the region?

You think Muslim majority countries care less about the right to practice Islam than the US, which routinely spies on mosques in the US and has killed millions of Muslim civilians in recent history? Who are supportive of the client state of Israel committing genocide against Palestinians as we speak? Which media depicts Muslims as brown savages? Who’s soldiers commonly refer to Muslims as Sand N-words?

Are you being literal or is their another meaning you are trying to imply?

Youre being played, and letting people die because of it.

Even the worse claims say that the “repression” is over, and have never included mass murder, so I dont know what you’re on about.

I guess I should ask, why do you have faith in US affiliated media reporting on this, considering that the US has a vested interest in destabilizing China, and obviously cares very little for the lives of Muslims?

Also, just look at it from a historical basis. Has any anti-terrorism program that revolved around repression ever worked, and not just created more terrorism? Does China have a reality altering device that lets them do repression without creating more terrorism, or have you been lied to, given that terrorism has precipitously declined as China has invested in their counterterrorism program primarily based around improving the material conditions in the region?

Those countries also have economic and otherwise incentive to agree with the world hegemon, the US.

The anglophone corporate media that is pushing out the atrocity propaganda (well, was, China reopening put a real damper on their stories) also has financial incentive to produce propaganda about the main rival of the US.

These countries probably care more about the religious freedom of Muslims then the US though, which loves killing Muslims and has killed millions of muslim civilians in recent history in their own “war on terror”

Also literally 30 countries sent delegations

https://muslimmirror.com/eng/islamic-delegation-visiting-chinas-xinjiang-region-says-all-is-well-here/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220810-diplomats-from-30-muslim-countries-visited-chinas-xinjiang-region/amp/

Literally a bunch of muslim delegations from governments that don’t like each other all went to investigate and found all was well.

I am guessing you did not actually trying asking them, I am guessing you read some atrocity propaganda from a corporate newspaper whos owner is terrified of the implications of socialist China.

It’s an authoritarian state led by a dictator.

I dont know how you could say that out of any place but ignorance? If they are a dictatorship, they are putting on a massive act of civic democratic engagement, and if they were, there would be leaks because you can not keep something like that secret when the scale is a country of 1.4 billion people.

They have a different style of democracy which prioritizes a different set of rights over western bourgeois democracy.

I would encourage you to try to talk to Chinese people about their government without putting assumptions into your questions or asking leading questions. Actual Chinese people, who live in China. Thanks to the internet this is very easily done.

I would also encourage you to research how Chinese theorists have looked at making stronger democratic mechanisms, and to generally learn the differences between proletarian and bourgeois democracy.

95 percent of Chinese people are satisfied with their government https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/

I was not using the slogan myself. In fact in hindsight I don’t think I even used the slogan even in the description.

You’re still responding to

“It is antisemitic to call an anti-zionist slogan antisemitic”

With

I DIDNT EVEN SAY THE SLOGAN GODDDD

Since you ask, I am not Jewish or any other religion. I was baptised RC, but now find all religion superstitious nonsense. However, if you want to place all your faith in that superstitious nonsense, then have it.

You’re not beating the antisemitism allegations. Being Jewish isn’t just following a religion.

And that war where your family survived, well my father helped in that. My father took part in the D-day landings and then on into Germany. We still hold the medals in the family to prove it.

Your dad helped the western allies take west Germany and prevent denazification there. Not his fault, but also “you should be grateful my dad helped” is bullshit. The Soviets knew how to treat nazis, the British government treated them with kids gloves.

I talked to them and they doubled down, I believe my judgement based on their activity was correct.

Long bans because the massive amount of calls for genocide and antisemitic bs because of the escalation of genocide in gaza mean we don’t want to have to deal with people immediately coming back. Give people time to cool off.

Hey, I’m the mod that banned them.

I’ve made it very clear that equating zionism with jewishness will not be tolerated.

It is antisemitic to equate an antizionist slogan with antisemitism, because equating jewishness with zionist settler colonialism is literally tied with the “jews are foreign agents” nazi bullshit.

Lol you made a thread about it.

It is antisemitic to equate an antizionist slogan with antisemitism, because equating jewishness with zionist settler colonialism is literally tied with the “jews are foreign agents” nazi bullshit.

It is especially appalling that this is being done in response to an anti-apartheid slogan.

Biden also said covid was over. I dont think it is reasonable to trust Biden.

Ah, the new York times, known for its journalistic integrity, inspiring such onion headlines as

“It Is Journalism’s Sacred Duty To Endanger The Lives Of As Many Trans People As Possible”

https://www.theonion.com/it-is-journalism-s-sacred-duty-to-endanger-the-lives-of-1850126997

Also well known for being on the right side of history/s https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/iraq-war-media-fail-matt-taibbi-812230/amp/

Does this type of smuglord behavior make you feel smart?

I didn’t say it was just “tankies” but you previously said

Couldn’t care less about regular communists. Tankies on the other hand…

After I called you a McCarthyist.

You know, you don’t have to fail at doing gotchas, you can just recognize you’re an anti-communist like McCarthy and stop.