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Ukraine is the only country in the world that has the full moral authority to develop nuclear weapons. We are the only country to give up nukes and look where that got us.

That being said “moral authority” isn’t worth shit in this world.

South Korea, Poland and the Baltic nations should honestly try and develop their own nukes too.

That’s a fair point.

Difficult to say. One possible area to look into is formerly colonized nations that have experienced very strong economic growth in the last 30 years. What do you think?

Would Brazil be a good example? I believe colonialism ended over 200 years ago and they’ve seen pretty strong growth in the last ~25 years. How would you rate their attitude towards modern colonialilsm?

What about South Africa? Or is that a bad example. Their consistency on the topic of imperialism is interesting to say the least.

Does this hold true even if these countries (often times the population at large, not just the leadership) are avid supporters of imperialism and brutal occupations?

You ask for reparations for colonialism, while at the same time supporting russia’s genocidal, imperialist invasion.

EDIT: This is not aimed at the poster. More so the countries that would receive these proposed reparations and a much lesser extent Amnesty itself (the director of Ukrainian Amnesty international resigned after the head office released some asisine accusations against the UA army).

This is not about a “moral high ground” or some deep commitment to utilitarianism (which you somehow turned into a bizarre rant about electing Hitler).

I am talking about a practical, real life evaluation. Of course many people vote based on emotional reasons, but that doesn’t mean tactical voting is not extremely common (perhaps even a majority of voters).

And the fact remains that even people who have a strong emotional motivation can still be willing to make tactical choices. It’s not all black and white like you describe.

I never said anything about validity. Let me quote myself:

This is a very practical matter. You feel like voting, you pick either your candidate or the best option that works. You’re not happy with that, don’t vote; but then you take responsibility for your (lack of) action. It’s as simple as that.

I didn’t mean to imply all people treat their vote as an endorsement. That’s my mistake, I wasn’t clear. I was saying that a lot of people vote tactically and do not treat their vote as an endorsement.

You can have a different posture, but the fact remains that people are complex and they can (and should) switch between committed voting and tactical depending on the situation. If you don’t take the tactical approach, then it is reasonable to hold one responsible not taking part in the voting process.

Not just me. This is common in other countries. People most definitely do not treat their vote as an endorsement. You can believe me or not or say I am bad, but this is a matter of fact.

I was refering to your claim that tactical/pragmatic voting is somehow related to a deep philosophical commitment to utilitarianism which in turns is how you get Hitler. People don’t vote tactically out of some deep commitment to utilitarianism. Utilitarianism of course has its own set of problems, the stuff about Hitler in context of tactical voting is a ridiculous stretch; very condescending as well.

I don’t deny the possibility of US turning into a essentially a non-democratic oligarch state. If anything, research suggests authoritarians who come to power via somewhat democratic means, tend to solidify their rule in their second term if there is no pushback from society. So in a sense I agree with you.

Where I don’t agree with you are your justifications for not voting. As I said originally, I think the only fair reasoning is if there is nationwide protest to highlight the illegitimacy of an election/regime. Otherwise, there is no point in not voting.

No, I am basing this on real life experience. I.e. How I and many people vote and voted in my country, as well as other European countries that I follow.

This is a very practical matter. You feel like voting, you pick either your candidate or the best option that works. You’re not happy with that, don’t vote; but then you take responsibility for your (lack of) action. It’s as simple as that.

I don’t know where you are going with the utilitarianism and Hitler example. This is a massive stretch bordering on being rather insulting.

I can’t speak for the nuances w.r.t Harris, Trump and US foreign policy in Israel/Palestine.

I can with full confidence say that not voting is definitely not going to achieve anything. The only justified case would be an attempt to highlight the illegitimacy of the voting process if there are no options at all. It’s relatively common for people to vote tactically on a consistent basis, although of course it’s understandable when people lose motivation to vote when they feel there are no good options.

I just didn’t think they would do it formally (de jure).

Wow, they are really going to do it, aren’t they?

I am aware of that. And I am also aware of the dynamics of their GDP carbon intensity.

Do you really think if India and China were given $1 trillion a year each they would suddenly stop their expansion of coal power generation or even use a majority of that sum to combat climate change?

I don’t have any issues with helping countries combating climate change (financially or otherwise), I do have issues with the “global south” framing.

Is China part of the global south? India?

They are both building out a massive amount of coal powered plants and will continue doing so because it suits their interests. You think giving India and China $1 trillion a year each will change this dynamic?

I can understand specific bi-lateral initiates (or even structured multi-lateral ones). But the whole “global south” discussion is extremely simplistic.

I think it’s worth taking a more nuanced view on the “global south” vs. “global north” discussion. A lot of the leadership of the “global south” doesn’t believe in climate change and they have no interest in any kind of good faith actions on this issue. Why would you give them money with such an attitude?

Unfortunately this is really just the EU’s version of “thoughts and prayers”.

Austria’s Raiffeisen bank still has not left russia after almost 3 years of full scale war.

And let’s not forget how Merkel greenlighted Nord Stream 2 right after the beginning of the war; the invasion of Crimea.

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I am biased, but I wouldn’t count out Ukraine just yet.

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Signing off on russians demands in not a plan.