• jet@hackertalks.com
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    Your conflating the people of Palestine and Hamas. That’s like balming Jews globally for the actions of the IDF.

    Palestine is not committing atrocities, Hamas is. Most Palestinians don’t live in Gaza, so the majority of Palestinians don’t support Hamas.

    Even in your last comment your assigning collective responsibility for individual actions. That’s an implicit endorsement of collective punishment.

    We’re all humans, should we be killing random humans for the actions of Hamas?

    For what it’s worth, I’m very sympathetic to the Israeli civilians who’ve been killed. It’s a terrible experience they went through. I don’t wish that on anybody.

    I did not however, have solidarity with the Israeli government policies, which created a situation where violence is inevitable

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      You still didn’t answer the question and avoiding it. Seems almost like you don’t condemn the violence and attacks towards Israel and Israelis and think they deserve it.

      The majority of Palestinians in Palestine and other countries celebrate the attacks Hamas commits. I’ve seen it here on the streets in my neighborhood how they were giving out candy and laughing when Hamas murdered and kidnapped Israelis on the music festival and in the villages.

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        Oh well your question was " are these people not responsible for their own actions? " In my response was clearly, you’re conflating the Palestinian civilians, and the actions of Hamas. And then I gave you counterexamples.

        If you wanted to ask me do I feel terrible for the Israeli civilians that have been killed? Yes I feel terrible, nobody should suffer like that. Nobody should be in the path of violence.

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          When Palestinians weren’t with Hamas they wouldn’t celebrate their violence.

          Without them changing as well, there will be no end to the violence.

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            There you go again. Blaming the civilians for what’s happening to them. You can speak for an entire population? All Palestinian support Hamas? And if they don’t support Hamas they celebrate hamas’s actions? That’s a big assumption, and a catch 22.

            Clearly not all Jewish people support the bad things happening Gaza, I know this, because they’re a diverse population with different moral composes, and some of them have even gone on record saying hey this is a terrible situation it shouldn’t be happening.

            Quite honestly, I think your internal biases, inform your reactions. And you don’t examine your own biases. You think I’m pro Hamas, I’m not. You said you looked at my posting history, I’m pretty sure you didn’t, cuz it’s quite extensive, and you would have seen me arguing with pro Hamas people.

            Quite frankly, I don’t care about the situation, these people have been killing each other since before I was born, and they will continue to kill each other long after I am dead. What I do care about is people making incorrect arguments online, without thinking about their biases, without thinking about the effect their advocating for. Which is why we had that whole argument about asymmetric power imbalances in the other thread.

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                Palestine has to change to find a stable peaceful situation, as does Israel. As I indicated they probably have to combine and come to terms with each other.