The Israel Defense Forces releases surveillance camera footage from Shifa Hospital showing Hamas terrorists bringing a Nepali and Thai citizen who were abducted from Israel on October 7 to the medical center.

  • Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    Are you aware that Israel doesn’t need to literally kill every palestinian in order to succeed at genocide? Do you think the Holocaust wasn’t a genocide?

    I don’t give a fuck about Hamas, Palestine should fight back against the genocidal state by any means necessary. Nothing Hamas has ever even been claimed to have done is worse than genocide, so criticizing them at all is a logical fallacy. If palestine thinks incorporating terrorism into their war effort is necessary, I’m not arrogant enough to claim I know better. Every repercussion of this war on both sides is the fault of Israel, just like was true of Nazi Germany.

    • samokosik@lemmynsfw.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      I know that for genocide you don’t have to kill the whole population. Issue is that during the genocide, population goes down. During holocaust, 1/3 of the jews were killed and the population of jews was 30% smaller at the end of the genocide. This is not happening with Palestinians as their population literally doubled and there has never been a significant dip in their numbers. So no, Israel is not a genocidal state.

      In the second paragraph you are finding excuses for Palestine for fighting genocide (why by the way doesn’t exist). Hamas is a terrorist organisation which does not care about Palestine at all. They are only capable of killing Jews, tying opposition to cars and dragging them around. They were also the ones who broke the ceasefire and made the population of Gaza so radical that no one wants to have anything with them. Even PLO rather stays away from Gaza. I am honestly shocked how can you support terrorism and blame Israel for everything. You also ignore the fact that Hamas is not Palestine.

      • Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        So if Israel kills 2 million Palestinians, but elsewhere 3 million are born, that is still genocide. Also, source on their population going up? You mean like world wide or something? Certainly not in Gaza. No, Hamas did not violate a ceasefire. Laying seige to an open air prison for 20 years does not count as ceasing fire. Hamas attacked Israel in retaliation to them getting worse and worse.

        • samokosik@lemmynsfw.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          Israel never killed 2 million palestinians. The number is far lower. Stop spreading bullshit.

          Population in Gaza went up throughout the time. It’s literally one of the most densely populated areas in the world (https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/gaza-strip/).

          Furthermore, Gaza is not Israel’s open air prison and it was Hamas who broke the ceasefire.

          I honestly see no reason in this discussion when you keep inventing random facts and when you support terrorist organizations. This is truly unbelievable.

          • Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            They haven’t killed them yet,but they very much intend to. If you’re not trolling, I highly suggest you do some research on this subject before speaking confidently on it. Basically everything you’ve said is incorrect. I can’t educate you to that degree in a couple comments. But if you are well meaning, and you can ditch your pro America/ pro imperialism bias, you will come to learn a lot about how the world works overall by doing a deep dive on this subject. But let me be very clear: Israel is the bad guy, and America is bad for supporting them. This is a fact. Genocide is always evil, no matter who is doing it.

            • samokosik@lemmynsfw.com
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              Honestly it’s funny that you say I am wrong and pro-american but at the same time you are the one supporting terrorism and spreading complete bullshit. I don’t know who of us should educate themselves on the subject.

              Can I ask you 2 simple questions?

              1. Where is the “land of Palestine”?
              2. Do you agree with Bin Laden’s Letter to America?
              • Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                11 months ago

                The land of Palestine is where it was when the borders of Israel were drawn in the 50s. Israel has expanded itself drastically since then, and most (all?) of that stolen land is Palestine.

                Never heard of it before, but based on the summary, I assume he says some real wack job shit, alongside his factually correct points, such as America bringing 9/11 on itself. He’s right that when America targets civilians, they justify attacks like 9/11 in return.

                "Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:

                Because you attacked us and continue to attack us". Yep, he is 100% correct.

                He also blames interest on loans as core to America’s failings, which is honestly way more than I expected from him. Though, I figured out that capitalism is evil at like 25, while living inside capitalist propaganda, so it’s probably not that difficult to figure out. Not that interest is literally capitalism, but it’s a decent stand in for it that fits within his wack job religious message.

                It’s an interesting comparison between 9/11 and the recent Hamas attack though. It’s not good that 9/11 happened, it just was wildly obvious that it eventually would. Meanwhile the exact opposite is true of the Hamas attack. It’s good to kill people genociding you, but I’m surprised it actually happened.

                • samokosik@lemmynsfw.com
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  11 months ago

                  This is my point here. If you start thinking that Osama was in some ways correct, it’s not him being correct, there is just sth wrong with you.

                  • Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    ·
                    11 months ago

                    What? No. Osama also believes the sky is blue, does that make us all lunatics? If people say true things, it is intellectually dishonest to disagree with them. That is how brazenly obvious it is that capitalism is evil.