I see no use for the numlock key, I’d rather just have the numpad on the whole time. Are there actually cases where it is useful or people who for some reason prefer their numpad turned off?
I have a smaller keyboard that doesn’t have dedicated arrow keys, or any of the home, page up, etc. They’re all on the numpad, so numlock for me is very useful.
I haven’t used numlock in years but I remember that for certain games that you played with the arrow keys, I preferred to use the arrows on the numpad instead of the dedicated ones.
And according to Wikipedia, the reason why numlock exists in the first place is the fact that certain keyboards didn’t have dedicated arrow keys, but did have a numpad. I guess numlock on full-sized keyboards is just a relic that keyboard manufacturers are schlepping around because it’s cheap enough to produce and doesn’t really hurt 🤷
You can still get some mechanical keyboards with numpads but not arrow keys, though since these are variations on compact layouts they tend to omit the numlock key as well.
Interesting. Most compact keyboards I’ve seen save space by removing the numpad, not the arrow keys. I assume you can emulate arrow keys by pressing some modifier key on those?
Exactly that. Royal Kludge makes one.
I think it’s a good layout. I have a tenkeyless at home and for some tasks I definitely miss the number pad more than I’d miss the arrow keys, especially since the number pad by design doubles as arrow keys and always has. I’ve seen even smaller keyboards that have numpads but not the number row, which would also be sweet. Reclaim some vertical deskspace as well as horizontal.
There’s an old game I grew up with called Castle of the Winds. You could also move using some other keys or the mouse, but for me my favorite way by far was using the numpad with numlock turned off.
I also used to use the numpad while playing Half-Life, as the person who introduced me to that game swore by remapping all the keys to the numpad.
Old games are pretty much the only use Ive ever seen. The keypad can be used as arrow keys, but with diagonal options and the ability to easily switch over to numbers. Nethack, for instance, is extra challenging without a proper numberpad.
vi keys for life
Damn I loved Castle of the Winds. Was actually just thinking about frying to see it I could play it again recently for a nice nostalgia kick.
It’s a relic of the past. Old keyboards didn’t have dedicated arrow keys and since many programs were only controlled by arrow keys rather than a mouse, having a num lock key was a good solution to the problem. But if you are still stuck in an environment where you have to navigate a lot with arrow keys, the num lock still comes in handy. Having Pg Up and Down and the Home/End keys nearby is super handy in this situation.
It’s still useful for some old video games, especially for multiplayer where both play at the same time.
I have literally removed the NumLock keycap from all of my keyboards to make sure I don’t accidentally turn it off. Never missed it.
I have also removed the F1 keycap. Never use it.
Lol I also remove the Num Lock key! I find myself accidentally pressing it too much and I just never want to use that function anyway.
Scroll Lock is the one that comes to mind as a safe removal.
However, for me, the real useless AND inconvenient piece of shit I wish I could rebind as I want that space for something better is Caps Lock. Unfortunately, it’s not that easy to do.
You should look into Kanata. It lets you remap the whole keyboard, same idea as QMK, except it’s running on your computer instead of the keyboard itself.
It can be a bit tricky to set up if you’re not used to that sort of thing, but I managed to figure it out so if you have any questions feel free to ask.
Use autohotkey! I have a very simple solution for this, where the caps lock key is mapped either as a backspace key, or it minimizes the current window.
I’ve set my computer so that holding caps lock lets me type in Greek
Swap caps lock and left control. It’s the first thing I do on most of my computers, especially notebooks.
The newer versions of Windows Powertoys from Microsoft makes it easy on Windows.
Been easy on Mac and most Linux distros for years.
It’s useful if you enable Mouse Keys mode. Which is useful if you find yourself without a working mouse for one reason or another.
no use whatsoever. this is an artifact from the days when the arrows, etc. did not exist as separate keys.
Yes, there are arrows on the numeric keyboard which can be used for various reasons, also home and end buttons.
For a full size, 104-key PC keyboard, everything that is mapped to the numpad is also somewhere else, and the keys are spaced out enough that you’d almost never need to turn off the numpad, so the key is just there for oddball legacy apps that do weird stuff. It was more important before IBM released the fully “modern” 101-key Model M.
For laptop keyboards and other reduced format keyboards that still include all or part of a numpad, it can still be useful. I actually use autohotkeys instead, but one of my budget mechanical keyboards only has the arrow nav keys and the rest are accessed by turning off NumLock.
Never used it, really inconvenient. Stays off here and now you gave me an idea to rebind to something useful.
I think it is still is useful, as some software still hasn’t figured out how to turn on numlock automatically, and for a few applications number pad scrolling can be better than the arrow keys, but it is probably less useful than the scroll lock key at this point.
I think the numlock key is a hangover from the IBM XT computers (maybe even before that). Those keyboards didn’t have the cursor keys and other key block. So, the numlock key was quite important.
I know, because I got my first PC during the PC AT days right before they moved toward ATX. That was a full size keyboard.
I am surprised it has stuck around so long. I understand in the transition from XT to AT that perhaps computer operators got used to using the numpad for navigation and muscle memory would be ruined. But, you know it’s like 40 years on now. There isn’t really a modern day reason to keep it.
But, happy to be proven wrong.
Yes. On my keyboard there’s no separate “end” key, it’s part of 3 on the numpad, that key is very useful when using the terminal, because you don’t need to wait for 5 years for the cursor to make it to the end of your command.
Ctrl-e in bash is move cursor to end. Ctrl-a is like home.
emacs?!
set -o viunless you just want to see the world burn(I’m kidding, I use the emacs shortcuts in bash, but vim is my goto text editor)
Yeah I’m the same. Emacs shortcuts make a lot of sense for readline programs.
Reassign it to the NumLock key.
I’m too lazy to figure out how to do that
If you have keyboard software, you might be able to use that. I use autohotkey for reassigning keys. The script would be:
SetNumLockState, AlwaysOn NumLock::EndFor windows,
Just put it in a txt file after installing AHK and use .ahk at the end of the file name. There’s a way to make it the default script, but I think but I use just task scheduler to make it start on boot/login.
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I can’t even remember when I would’ve needed the arrow keys on the numpad.
My keyboard has also SysRq, Scroll lock and Pause/Break keys on top of the numpad, never needed any of them.
I actually have a collegaue who uses the numeric keys as arrows and shit, he uses the NumLock pretty regularly.
He is the only one I actually know who does that, tho.
