Russian lawmakers have submitted a draft bill to the State Duma that would rewrite a chapter of history by nullifying the Soviet decision in 1954 to transfer Crimea from Russia to Ukraine. The move appears aimed at establishing a legal basis for Russia to argue that Crimea, the Black Sea peninsula which it claims to have annexed from Ukraine in 2014, was never really part of Ukraine to begin with. The draft, submitted by a lawmaker from each of Russia's two houses of parliament, describes the 1954 handover as arbitrary and illegal because no referendum was held and Soviet authorities had no right to transfer territory from one constituent republic to another without consent.

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian lawmakers have submitted a draft bill to the State Duma that would rewrite a chapter of history by nullifying the Soviet decision in 1954 to transfer Crimea from Russia to Ukraine.

The move appears aimed at establishing a legal basis for Russia to argue that Crimea, the Black Sea peninsula which it claims to have annexed from Ukraine in 2014, was never really part of Ukraine to begin with.

The draft, submitted by a lawmaker from each of Russia’s two houses of parliament, describes the 1954 handover as arbitrary and illegal because no referendum was held and Soviet authorities had no right to transfer territory from one constituent republic to another without consent.

  • cygnus@lemmy.caEnglish
    1032·
    8 months ago

    Does this mean Russia should lose the USSR’s permanent seat on the UN security council?

      • GregorGizeh@lemmy.zipEnglish
        251·
        8 months ago

        Lmao. As a firm supporter of Ukraine in this conflict, the sentiment is nice but giving them a permanent seat on the world security council is ridiculous. Neither their economic nor military power warrants that, many much more powerful and influential countries don’t get a permanent seat.

      • cygnus@lemmy.caEnglish
        1210·
        8 months ago

        Nice sentiment, but that would be a pretty absurd choice. It would be nice to have a South American or African permanent member, or perhaps India.

          • cygnus@lemmy.caEnglish
            1·
            8 months ago

            I suggested them not because I’m a Modi stan but because there’s a much stronger case for their geopolitical importance.

    • resetbypeer@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      8 months ago

      Believe it or not, they still use the .SU top Domain Name. Which they got just before shit inploded in 1991. So just based on that fact they will say “,нет товарищ or no comrade”

      • cygnus@lemmy.caEnglish
        61·
        8 months ago

        The USSR’s seat was never officially given to Russia - they sort of just kept occupying it and no one told them to stop.

        • boyi@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
          23·
          8 months ago

          At last somebody who engages intellectually with an answer, although I don’t see the truth of it. Do you have any any resources supporting your statement? At least according Article 23 of UN charter, it’s stated clearly of the five permanent members.

          The Security Council shall consist of eleven Members of the United Nations. The Republic of China, France, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the United States of America shall be permanent members of the Security Council. The General Assembly shall elect six other Members of the United Nations to be non-permanent members of the Security Council, due regard being specially paid, in the first instance to the contribution of Members of the ​United Nations to the maintenance of international peace and security and to the other purposes of the Organization, and also to equitable geographical distribution.

          It’s official for the five countries, not given but acquired.

          EDIT: I am interested in the real knowledge and fact, and I am never interested in bias and one-sided answer just to support one’s view. That not healthy academically.

          • cygnus@lemmy.caEnglish
            31·
            8 months ago

            Sorry, I’m not sure what you’re saying or asking here. Is this a question?

            • boyi@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
              14·
              8 months ago

              please provide references for your earlier statement. I think it is blatantly wrong. Please prove to me otherwise.

              • cygnus@lemmy.caEnglish
                7·
                8 months ago

                The passage you cited is a good start, as it still to this day states that the USSR is a member, and the USSR of course no longer exists. It seems quite unambiguous to me, to the extent that I’m not sure why you believe it supports your argument.

                You can read this for more background if you like: https://www.chicagotribune.com/2022/02/28/ian-hurd-read-the-words-as-they-appear-russia-is-not-a-member-of-the-united-nations-security-council/

                • boyi@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
                  33·
                  8 months ago

                  Because Russia is the sole continuation to USSR according to Alma-Ata Protocol in 1991?

                  From Just Security and for the subsequent quotes.

                  “The States of the Commonwealth support Russia’s continuance of the membership of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in the United Nations, including permanent membership of the Security Council, and other international organizations.”

                  And during those days the members didn’t want to bring it up because that was the way they wanted it to happened and now suddenly we question their legitimacy because they have turned to be direct threats to us?

                  The main factor that influenced how the issue was handled in the UN was the basic policy decision of the other P4 (China, France, the United Kingdom and the United States), including first and foremost the US government, which was that it was in everyone’s interest that the USSR be dissolved peacefully and orderly, which could be accomplished if the other republics agreed among themselves on various matters including the former USSR seat and the veto. The republics of the former USSR, including Ukraine, agreed to Russia maintaining the seat of the USSR including in the Security Council. If they agreed, who would object? On what grounds would anyone have objected to Russia continuing the seat of the USSR in 1991? Maybe to get rid of a veto? If so, it was up to a Member to speak up and make the case.

                  Members were notified that Russia claimed it was not a “successor State” but a “continuing State” with the support of the former republics of the USSR, and there was no opposition

                  On Christmas Eve 1991 the Soviet Permanent Representative Yuli Vorontsov came to the UN Secretariat with a box in his hand with a new flag of something called the “Russian Federation” and a letter to the Secretary-General signed by Boris Yeltsin, “President Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic” (RSFSR). It said “ the membership of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in the United Nations, including the Security Council and all other organs and organizations of the United Nations system, is being continued by the Russian Federation (RSFSR), with the support of the countries of the Commonwealth of Independent States, by the Russian Federation.” Note it says “continued” not succession. In the law of succession, he was claiming that parts of the territory of his country had separated, leaving behind the rump which continued the international legal personality of the former larger State, whose name happened to change as well. Same country, just smaller, different borders and a new name and flag. The Russian Federation was the “continuing State” whereas all the bits that spun off were “successor States”—except for, ironically, Ukraine and Belarus which had been deemed as founding members of the Organization in 1945 for reasons not dealt with here. The letter also asked the Secretariat to change the name of the country from “the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics” to “Russian Federation” wherever it appeared.

                  and…

                  Members said nothing at the first meetings at which “the change” was reflected.

                  Although no objections or questions about the claim came in writing, the first time UN bodies met after “the name change” would offer an opportunity to raise the matter in a meeting. Any delegate could raise a point of order from the floor asking “What is that sign ‘Russian Federation’ and who is sitting behind it?” — and thus open up the issue for debate and discussion. The first meetings scheduled after the “change” were not in the General Assembly but rather in the Council. On Dec. 31, the Security Council met for the first time after the “change.” But it was the last day of the month which had heretofore been presided over that month by Ambassador Vorontsov as the USSR representative. On the 31st, however, he presided behind the “Russian Federation” nameplate. The meeting lasted 5 minutes at which a resolution on Western Sahara was adopted unanimously. The President gave a statement at the end thanking the retiring members of the Council. Not one word came from him or any member of the Council about “the change.” The members of the Council who could have mentioned it were Austria, Belgium, China, Cote d’Ivoire, Cuba, Ecuador, France, India, Romania, the United Kingdom, the United States, Yemen, Zaire and Zimbabwe. They all knew and could see there was a change but no words were spoken on the matter. There must have been a clear understanding among members behind the scenes that the Soviet representative would “see out” his presidency for the month as the Russian representative, regardless of “skipping” the alphabetical rotation rule for that one day (S/PV.3025).

                  Anyway, you can read the whole linked article. It is a good read for those who are interested in geopolitics and the non-bias.

                  • cygnus@lemmy.caEnglish
                    4·
                    8 months ago

                    Does any of that contradict my statement which triggered this tangent of yours? I said “The USSR’s seat was never officially given to Russia - they sort of just kept occupying it and no one told them to stop.”

                    These snippets from your citations say the same thing practically verbatim. I’m not sure why you’re so bent out of shape about this.

                    Members were notified that Russia claimed it was not a “successor State” but a “continuing State” with the support of the former republics of the USSR, and there was no opposition

                    Members said nothing at the first meetings at which “the change” was reflected.

                    They all knew and could see there was a change but no words were spoken on the matter.