Does she need to have testicles to produce testosterone, right?
All people have both testosterone, the male “sex hormone” and estrogen, the female "sex hormone. They just produce it different quantities. Both are needed for all people.
There are a lot of very normal and quite frequent medical reasons why a person’s hormone levels can be mixed up and for a woman (afab) to have a high testosterone level or for a man (amab) a high estrogen level.
Women (XX) produce testosterone in mostly their ovaries and adrenal glands.
Men (XY) synthesize estrogen in the Leydig cells and the germ cells in their testis.
What does the estrogen do in men?
You seem to be under the false impression that women’s bodies don’t produce testosterone under normal circumstances. They do. Women produce testosterone in their ovaries, adrenal glands, fat and skin cells.
This is true, but they do not produce it in the same quantity as testicles do in males.
I know that but usually women produce less testosterone, is it related the XY chromosomes to the production of testosterone?
I doubt any statistically significant study has been done since XY females are rare. In men the adrenal glands produce only 5-10% of total testosterone. In women the ovaries and adrenal glands make most of it, so I’d expect an XY woman with ovaries to have fairly normal levels. If she has no ovaries then I’d expect the level to be low. It’s about having the organs that do the production, not about the chromosomes.
That said, people vary A LOT so you’ll find an edge case for almost anything you look for.
What’s the context of your question?
The Olympic boxer thing.
There’s no evidence she’s XY. A butthurt Russian boxing official’s claim doesn’t count as evidence.
I can’t believe a woman that’s competing in the world’s biggest sporting event has traits that make her better at sports. /s
All women produce testosterone. Some more, some less. It’s just the genetic lottery.
XY people AFAB have a genetic condition that makes their bodies insensitive to testosterone. Their testicles never drop. They don’t develop body hair or menstrate.
And they have more trouble than XX women developing muscle mass.
None of this has anything to do with the Olympics because Fox News is making shit up.
I vote we change the name of “Fox News” to “Fox Says the Darnedest Things.”
This is a genuine question from someone wanting to be more educated, why is it being downvoted?
There’s a female boxer in the Olympics that people are saying should be disqualified because of a claim she has XY chromosomes. She has boxed her entire life and demolished an opponent with a record of 5 professional fights and people are claiming it’s her chromosomes giving her an advantage and not her lifelong training.
People hearing about intersex individuals for the first time due to the olympics. And now don’t know where to fit it into their preexisting worldview
Soo, they ask about it to help them better understand and maybe change their worldview. What’s wrong with that?
Edit: after reading some of OP’s replies, yeah, they don’t seem like a nice person
Because people are ridiculously tribalistic and assumptive. Stay in line, or else!
Testosterone is also produced in the renal glands, so no not necessary to have testicles
Testosterone is also produced in the testicles in males. It’s not uncommon for a male to require testosterone replacement therapy if they lose one or both testicles.
I’m wondering about the Olympics boxer who knocked out the other boxer, how it is posible for her to have that amount of testosterone in her body? Is she a hermaphrodite?
She isn’t trans, she didn’t knock out her opponent, and you’ve been watching too much Fox News.
For starters, hermaphrodite isn’t really a term that’s used anymore.
With “true” hermaphroditism, which is now know as ovotesticular syndrome, a person is born with both testiclular and ovarian tissue in some configuration- organs containing a mix of both tissue, two complete sets of ovaries and testicles, one of each, etc. This is an incredibly rare condition, with only around 500 recorded cases ever.
There’s also what used to be called “pseudohermaphrodism” and both, as well as several other conditions would now fall under the umbrella of terms like “intersex” or “DSD” (Disorders of Sex Development" which is a very broad and much more common category that covers a range of different conditions with different causes and presentations that mean that in some way their physical attributes don’t align neatly with their biological sex. By some estimates, up to 1.7% of people could be considered intersex by some definition.
This wikipedia article has a list of a few dozen different conditions that could be considered intersex in the prevalence section.
There’s also conditions that most wouldn’t consider rise to the level of being intersex, but result in abnormal hormone levels and secondary sex characteristics (man-boobs, women growing facial hair, etc.)
Transgender is when a person does not identify with the gender they are assigned at birth. They may be intersex in some way, or they may have totally normal sexual development, but at birth based on the way their genitals looked, whether they were normal or abnormal, their parents essentially decided “you are a boy” or “you are a girl” and raised them in accordance with that, but at some point in their life they realized that they don’t feel like that gender and identity as the other (or neither, or both in the case of non-binary gender identities)
There’s one organization that claims to have tested her and found that she has XY chromosomes. That organization has a bit of a shifty record though and while it’s certainly a possibility, I don’t trust them enough to consider it settled.
But even if she does have a y chromosome, there’s a handful of conditions that a genotypically male could be in all obvious ways phenotypically female, and you would never know unless you did genetic testing or did some medical imaging on their urogenital systems that wouldn’t give them any particular competitive edge. If they have, for example, someone with complete androgen insensitivity syndrome would have XY chromosomes, but in all ways appear female, and their body is essentially immune to testosterone so they wouldn’t have any competitive edge.
She’s competing at some of the highest levels of female boxing, but she is competing she’s not absolutely dominating the sport, she’s lost matches, she’s not a shoe-in for the gold medal.
We have no reason to think she’s trans, she’s never expressed anything to that effect, though even if she did, her options to express that, let alone seek gender affirming treatment, would likely be limited since Algeria isn’t exactly the most LGBTQ friendly country (putting it mildly)
She may or may not be intersex in some fashion, like I said I don’t exactly trust the one source that claims to have tested her. The possibility exists, but I’m not convinced until/unless those results are corroborated by a more trustworthy organization. And if she does turn out to be intersex, what of it? Which gender should someone compete as if they don’t neatly fit into the traditional gender binary? She identifies as female and she’s competitive in the female competition, why not allow her to compete there?
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She was born female. Stop spreading misinformation you ‘heard’ somewhere.
So is she trans? Or WTF I don’t understand the thing at this point? How is it posible she competed with a genetic women being a trans woman?
Mate I appreciate that you seem to be coming at this with honest curiosity, but do yourself a favour and get this information from reputable news sources.
This whole thing is so polarised and so full of misinformation that anything you read from randos on social media you have no way of knowing if it’s credible or complete bullshit.
What’s your take on this?
There is no take. She’s a woman. She was born a woman. She always was a woman.
She doesn’t have XY chromosomes or is in any other way intersex, to anyone’s knowledge. She’s just a woman that doesn’t fit into some people’s narrow views of what a woman should look like.
This has nothing to do with trans issues. But it has a lot to do with policing women’s bodies.This fucking kind of shows it’s why I hate humankind.
My take is irrelevant. Here’s a reputable news source about the issue: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-04/paris-olympics-imane-khelif-clinches-medal-in-boxing/104181158
Tl;dr: she is and always has been a woman. The source of the controversy is the International Boxing Association, which claims she “failed an unspecified eligibility test to compete last year over elevated levels of testosterone.”
Later in the article, in reference to the IBA: “the Russian-dominated body — which has faced years of clashes with the IOC — has refused to provide any information about the tests, underscoring its lack of transparency in nearly every aspect of its dealings, particularly in recent years.”
She’s not trans.
So she is just a normal woman? Born with ovaries? Just she worked out more and it’s better at the sport? So if it’s that way I believe it’s fair play.
She’s a generic women, XY female it’s a thing. That being said we don’t know if she actually is XY female. The IOC says she’s meets all qualifications to fight as a female, those being assigned female at birth and female on her passport. The only source we have that she may have XY chromosomes is the IAB president telling media that’s what her disqualification was about.
It should be noted though that we don’t know what tests, if any, were performed to determine this. Also to, the best of my knowledge, there’s no actual proof of elevated testosterone levels aside from the disqualification last year.
I think that the IOC banned the IAB from running the Olympic competition and the complete lack of transparency from the IAB cats a big shadow on their ruling.
You’re correct in assuming that she will not be able to produce the same levels of testosterone produced by males without testicles. But, the female body does naturally produce testosterone in other glands. I’m unsure of the effects on her natural testosterone production from having a male chromosome though, so I can’t speak to that. Sorry. It’s pretty lame that people can’t ask questions they’re genuinely curious about without getting eviscerated, especially for an anomalous situation like this, all because of political tribalism.
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Testosterone is known to help regulate the sex drive of all humans, it plays a bigger role for biological males than females is all.
And there’s a big spectrum of intersex people where the levels and impacts are more varied
So what exactly is she? Trans? Hermaphrodite? Male? Female? I’m confused at this point.
Born female. Identified her entire life as female. Always competed as female.
Why then the amount of hype about this shit?, I mean if it’s the way you say I truly don’t give a flying fuck about this mediatic show.
Because unscrupulous people with an agenda will seize on anything that helps them push it, whether that thing is true or not.
I’ve not checked, I believe you’re asking about the Olympic boxer?
My best understanding is she’s intersex with maybe a chromosome disorder
No, she isn’t. She’s just a woman. No one ever tested her chromosomes.
Humans never stop surprising me. Do you believe it is fair to let her compete with “normal” women?
My point is: if she have testicles or her body produce testosterone as a male, does it’s ok to let her compete with women with ovaries?
Do you believe it is fair to let her compete with “normal” women?
Yes. Michel Phelps is also generally gifted should he be penalized? She meets the criteria for Olympic boxing. Any other statement is revision. I’ve read she has ten losses to other woman. Check how many Muhammad Ali or Mike Tyson have lost. Sucks for the Italian women.
if she have testicles or her body produce testosterone as a male, does…
She doesn’t, so that is not a relevant hypothetical. What if the government is stealing the dog shit from my lawn for research?
She is a normal woman. With ovaries.
The press and the world is as split as can be.
Here’s an article that tries at least to look at the trouble with a balanced view - but don’t expect too many facts anyway
Thx for the info 👍👍 I think if they are women then it’s ok if they worked harder to get a better physical condition than their opponents, but I f they are trans I think there should be a trans league.
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But a prostate it’s a male organ, idk if I’m right but as far as I know it is.
