I’m not saying that you’re wrong. You sound like you might know what you’re talking about. I just like publications and medical evidence. I trust that you won’t take it the wrong way.
That is… Incorrect, there is about a 30% death rate within one year of brain trauma […]
Source?
[…] but there is absolutely no data showing that someone is going to die within an hour of being knocked unconscious more often than not, […]
Do you have a metastudy or something for that?
especially if they are young
That last sentence, do you have a source for the difference in outcome depending on the patient’s age?
I’d say it’s more a burden for the person making the claim that goes against reality. Imminent death is not in the least a common progression of getting knocked out.
And it’s not on me to find the burden of truth for you. That’s a logical fallacy and a bad arguing tactic
FFS I wasn’t trying to argue with you. Since you quoted some very specific numbers, I thought that you had done some recent research on the matter, and thus had an up to date knowledge of the current studies. In that case copy pasting said references from endnote should have taken 30 seconds and provided the community with a lot of valuable info.
I wasn’t trying to get you to search for studies that would back up your claims, I thought you had them already.
Why does asking for citations equal arguing? Where did I even hint that I thought you were wrong? I very much tried to make my intentions clear, yet everyone still think that I’m some smuck smart-ass trying to win an argument … an argument I wasn’t even part of to begin with.
Crow made a claim. And then Yoko made a claim refuting their claim. The burden of proof is on both of them. Not the third party guy Danish asking for sources.
Are you talking to me? I mean you replied to my comment, but saying that I’m referencing studies doesn’t make any sense. Well at least not to me, because I don’t believe that I claimed to have any studies for anything.
If you meant to reply to me, please go read my first paragraph, and the maybe try it a second time. I actively tried to avoid getting labeled as dismissing the claims.
I justified asking for studies. At no point did I claim to have spent hours searching pubmed. How hard is that to comprehend?
Have you ever tried searching pubmed and vetting studies by reading abstracts? It’s not like using google and clicking on the first result.
First off, searching for studies backing up some claims will always introduce confirmation bias. Secondly finding relevant studies, vetting the search results, by reading the abstracts, validating the scope of the study, deciphering the methods used, etc, will easily take the same number of hours as OP would spend in minutes to copy paste from their bibliography system.
I think you are confusing people. DanishGuy is not the OP. They are a third person asking for the person debating the OP to back up their claims. It confused me too.
yes i got confused between danishguy and someone else because he seemed to have the same points as the other guy. thanks for telling me, as i don’t think i wouldve noticed alone.
OP’s claims of “oh mer gerhd you dead soon” were so broad and so wild that they didn’t seem rooted in research. Asking for citations would be like asking your antivax aunt for her DIY “research”. But at least the claims should motivate people to seek healthcare, if they get knocked unconscious. Something that will save lives. So I left it at that.
I asked for citations where I did, because it seemed like that commenter worked in the medical field, and actually could have the studies handy.
If you read my request as casting doubt, then I invite you to read the first paragraph again. I specifically pointed out I just like scientific research, data, and evidence. I actually tried to avoid being seen as arguing against the claims.
I can’t help that you (and a lot of other people, apparently) see asking for citations, as casting doubt. Expressing doubt wasn’t my intention, I was genuinely curious about the sources.
And if being curious about science is wrong, then I’m going crawl up under a warm blanket, with a cup of chai and a nice peer reviewed metastudy, while staying wrong.
I honestly think that it’s totally fine to ask for citations and I also would have loved to see them.
Furthermore I also really think that it was much more reasonable to ask the second person for the citation than the first one so I am in total agreement with you.
And I do really want to clarify that I was honestly just commenting on the doomy comment of: „a reflection of our times“
Because this really just felt more like an anchor effect hypothesis moment to me of being biased by the first data input however outrageous it may seem.
Even if you had casted doubt (which I again don’t think you did) that would’ve been fine and healthy I would argue. I love it when people ask for citations and then even read through them and discuss the limitations of it, I think that’s fucking awesomesauce and I’m glad people like you can read it and share their insights on it.
Long story short I was sharing another - to me more plausible - explanation of the vote distribution.
Hope you have a lovely day and this kerfuffle did not discourage you from exploring and sharing the interest details of the world.
I’m not saying that you’re wrong. You sound like you might know what you’re talking about. I just like publications and medical evidence. I trust that you won’t take it the wrong way.
Source?
Do you have a metastudy or something for that?
That last sentence, do you have a source for the difference in outcome depending on the patient’s age?
Bricolo, A., Turazzi, S., & Feriotti, G. (1980). Prolonged posttraumatic unconsciousness: therapeutic assets and liabilities… Journal of neurosurgery, 52 5, 625-34 . https://doi.org/10.3171/JNS.1980.52.5.0625.
And it’s not on me to find the burden of truth for you. That’s a logical fallacy and a bad arguing tactic
Is it not the one who claims something that has the burden of proof? I’m confused.
I’d say it’s more a burden for the person making the claim that goes against reality. Imminent death is not in the least a common progression of getting knocked out.
Yes. The OP of this thread needs to back up their claim that getting knocked out will kill you
FFS I wasn’t trying to argue with you. Since you quoted some very specific numbers, I thought that you had done some recent research on the matter, and thus had an up to date knowledge of the current studies. In that case copy pasting said references from endnote should have taken 30 seconds and provided the community with a lot of valuable info.
I wasn’t trying to get you to search for studies that would back up your claims, I thought you had them already.
Why does asking for citations equal arguing? Where did I even hint that I thought you were wrong? I very much tried to make my intentions clear, yet everyone still think that I’m some smuck smart-ass trying to win an argument … an argument I wasn’t even part of to begin with.
Crow made a claim. And then Yoko made a claim refuting their claim. The burden of proof is on both of them. Not the third party guy Danish asking for sources.
This thread is like getting hit in the head with a can of beans.
The Lemmy experience.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/15038-concussion This work (not for the 30% thing but just in general)?
at least show the studies you’re referencing instead of just saying you have them and asking for others to show theirs
It’s because he doesn’t have them.
Are you talking to me? I mean you replied to my comment, but saying that I’m referencing studies doesn’t make any sense. Well at least not to me, because I don’t believe that I claimed to have any studies for anything.
If you meant to reply to me, please go read my first paragraph, and the maybe try it a second time. I actively tried to avoid getting labeled as dismissing the claims.
so by that you mean you just like them but dont use or reference them? and yet you still ask others to show theirs? what kind of logic is this?!?!?
I justified asking for studies. At no point did I claim to have spent hours searching pubmed. How hard is that to comprehend?
Have you ever tried searching pubmed and vetting studies by reading abstracts? It’s not like using google and clicking on the first result.
First off, searching for studies backing up some claims will always introduce confirmation bias. Secondly finding relevant studies, vetting the search results, by reading the abstracts, validating the scope of the study, deciphering the methods used, etc, will easily take the same number of hours as OP would spend in minutes to copy paste from their bibliography system.
if you don’t expect yourself to give any sources to your claims, why the hell are you expecting others to give sources to their claims?
I think you are confusing people. DanishGuy is not the OP. They are a third person asking for the person debating the OP to back up their claims. It confused me too.
yes i got confused between danishguy and someone else because he seemed to have the same points as the other guy. thanks for telling me, as i don’t think i wouldve noticed alone.
Which claims have I made?
oh sorry i thought you were someone else, but still, you seem to be siding with someone who didn’t show any proof of their points.
A weird amount of people were triggered by you asking for evidence. A reflection on our times.
Maybe, but they could’ve also posted the same request for citations on the first poster but did not.
I think that really does reflect how someone can just say whatever and when challenged we are biased to only assume the second opinion as doubtful.
OP’s claims of “oh mer gerhd you dead soon” were so broad and so wild that they didn’t seem rooted in research. Asking for citations would be like asking your antivax aunt for her DIY “research”. But at least the claims should motivate people to seek healthcare, if they get knocked unconscious. Something that will save lives. So I left it at that.
I asked for citations where I did, because it seemed like that commenter worked in the medical field, and actually could have the studies handy.
If you read my request as casting doubt, then I invite you to read the first paragraph again. I specifically pointed out I just like scientific research, data, and evidence. I actually tried to avoid being seen as arguing against the claims.
I can’t help that you (and a lot of other people, apparently) see asking for citations, as casting doubt. Expressing doubt wasn’t my intention, I was genuinely curious about the sources.
And if being curious about science is wrong, then I’m going crawl up under a warm blanket, with a cup of chai and a nice peer reviewed metastudy, while staying wrong.
Edits: grammar hard
I honestly think that it’s totally fine to ask for citations and I also would have loved to see them. Furthermore I also really think that it was much more reasonable to ask the second person for the citation than the first one so I am in total agreement with you.
And I do really want to clarify that I was honestly just commenting on the doomy comment of: „a reflection of our times“ Because this really just felt more like an anchor effect hypothesis moment to me of being biased by the first data input however outrageous it may seem.
Even if you had casted doubt (which I again don’t think you did) that would’ve been fine and healthy I would argue. I love it when people ask for citations and then even read through them and discuss the limitations of it, I think that’s fucking awesomesauce and I’m glad people like you can read it and share their insights on it.
Long story short I was sharing another - to me more plausible - explanation of the vote distribution. Hope you have a lovely day and this kerfuffle did not discourage you from exploring and sharing the interest details of the world.
(god I should really learn to write more concise)
Thanks for clarifying. And if writing concise was an Olympic discipline, you’d be in the elite compared to me :)
Source? Show me the evidence and metastudy