I don’t understand this conclusion from what i said. It should be obvious that such decision have to be made by a court, before there is action taken by the executive.
And that’s what’s happening: Noone has been deported.
Or do you want the administration to first ask a court each time before it does anything? Like, speeding ticket, ask a court first before telling the driver they have to pay up? Someone dumps garbage on the street, ask a court before issuing a fine and billing the perpetrator for the cleanup?
All you’d do with that is grind state action to a halt. And you wouldn’t change a thing, worse, you’d get courts used to rubber-stamping everything unread.
Those are the most blatant examples of despotic actions by the executive,
No, they aren’t, the extradition to Hungary is a way worse case. That you can’t see this makes me conclude that you’re blinded by campism. You’re not judging the cases by what happened, legally, how big the fuck-up was, but by whether the people affected were closer to your pet political case. Be honest with yourself, here. I won’t judge you for having Palestine as pet cause, I will judge you for not being honest with yourself.
And that’s what’s happening: Noone has been deported.
They have been threatened with deportation and only by demanding a court to review the decision they got a temporary reprieve, that is if the executive doesn’t choose to ignore the court like they did with the deportation to Hungary. And it is already in the structure of the argument of the administration that they do not want to wait until a court has ruled on any criminal charge, or even let the investigators decide whether there is any reasonable evidence to even make a criminal charge in some of the cases.
This is at the core about taking away matters from courts, where the question of criminality or danger is subject to evidence and neutrality, rather than political affiliation and motivation.
Nowhere did i say that the deportation to Hungary is not worse. I said in case of repression against people standing up for Palestinian rights it is the most blatant, the most obvious. I recommend you to read through your past comments. They have been quite aggressive and filled with strawman arguments. I think by pointing out how despotic the deportation to Hungary is, you yourself acknowledge that Germany has a problem with growing despotism. Which brings us back to the very beginning of all of this discussion. The freedoms and rights granted by the EU and their member states are under serious attacks in particular in Germany. So instead of praising places like Germany as some beacon of freedom and rights, when the current political powers for the most part are eager to limit the very same freedoms and rights.
They have been threatened with deportation and only by demanding a court to review the decision they got a temporary reprieve
And the same happens when you get a traffic ticket: Until you challenge it in court, the order to pay up and the threat of garnishing your wages looms in the air.
And it is already in the structure of the argument of the administration that they do not want to wait until a court has ruled on any criminal charge
Criminal. Criminal. The administrative court will decide on whether or not the deportation will happen before the criminal case is finished. The administration, of course, is within its rights to have an opinion on that. So the affected people. But the administrative court will decide because this is an administrative matter.
This is at the core about taking away matters from court
No, it isn’t. I explained it like five times now. At this point you’re either deliberately misunderstanding the issue, deliberately misrepresenting the issue, or actually dense.
Administrative courts are courts. Can you acknowledge that.
I said in case of repression against people standing up for Palestinian rights it is the most blatant, the most obvious.
Not Oury Jalloh? Not Gustl Mollath? Do you even have sufficient knowledge of administrative failings and fuckups to make such a call. Very recently, and specifically Berlin, the Adenauer SRP+. Gods bless the ZPS.
I think by pointing out how despotic the deportation to Hungary is, you yourself acknowledge that Germany has a problem with growing despotism.
…you don’t. Or you’d know that it’s been like this for decades. Actually got better, pre-RAF was atrocious and let’s not talk about WWII and before.
Go ahead, argue the Palestinian case, I applaud that. But stop shooting yourself in the foot, hurting the Palestinian case, by making bullshit arguments that are both factually incorrect and tone-deaf AF. Just because it makes you feel good in the moment or something like that doesn’t mean that you’re helping. A bad thing done in the name of a good thing is still a bad thing. Dunno maybe read some Kant or something.
And that’s what’s happening: Noone has been deported.
Or do you want the administration to first ask a court each time before it does anything? Like, speeding ticket, ask a court first before telling the driver they have to pay up? Someone dumps garbage on the street, ask a court before issuing a fine and billing the perpetrator for the cleanup?
All you’d do with that is grind state action to a halt. And you wouldn’t change a thing, worse, you’d get courts used to rubber-stamping everything unread.
No, they aren’t, the extradition to Hungary is a way worse case. That you can’t see this makes me conclude that you’re blinded by campism. You’re not judging the cases by what happened, legally, how big the fuck-up was, but by whether the people affected were closer to your pet political case. Be honest with yourself, here. I won’t judge you for having Palestine as pet cause, I will judge you for not being honest with yourself.
They have been threatened with deportation and only by demanding a court to review the decision they got a temporary reprieve, that is if the executive doesn’t choose to ignore the court like they did with the deportation to Hungary. And it is already in the structure of the argument of the administration that they do not want to wait until a court has ruled on any criminal charge, or even let the investigators decide whether there is any reasonable evidence to even make a criminal charge in some of the cases.
This is at the core about taking away matters from courts, where the question of criminality or danger is subject to evidence and neutrality, rather than political affiliation and motivation.
Nowhere did i say that the deportation to Hungary is not worse. I said in case of repression against people standing up for Palestinian rights it is the most blatant, the most obvious. I recommend you to read through your past comments. They have been quite aggressive and filled with strawman arguments. I think by pointing out how despotic the deportation to Hungary is, you yourself acknowledge that Germany has a problem with growing despotism. Which brings us back to the very beginning of all of this discussion. The freedoms and rights granted by the EU and their member states are under serious attacks in particular in Germany. So instead of praising places like Germany as some beacon of freedom and rights, when the current political powers for the most part are eager to limit the very same freedoms and rights.
And the same happens when you get a traffic ticket: Until you challenge it in court, the order to pay up and the threat of garnishing your wages looms in the air.
Criminal. Criminal. The administrative court will decide on whether or not the deportation will happen before the criminal case is finished. The administration, of course, is within its rights to have an opinion on that. So the affected people. But the administrative court will decide because this is an administrative matter.
No, it isn’t. I explained it like five times now. At this point you’re either deliberately misunderstanding the issue, deliberately misrepresenting the issue, or actually dense.
Administrative courts are courts. Can you acknowledge that.
Not Oury Jalloh? Not Gustl Mollath? Do you even have sufficient knowledge of administrative failings and fuckups to make such a call. Very recently, and specifically Berlin, the Adenauer SRP+. Gods bless the ZPS.
…you don’t. Or you’d know that it’s been like this for decades. Actually got better, pre-RAF was atrocious and let’s not talk about WWII and before.
Go ahead, argue the Palestinian case, I applaud that. But stop shooting yourself in the foot, hurting the Palestinian case, by making bullshit arguments that are both factually incorrect and tone-deaf AF. Just because it makes you feel good in the moment or something like that doesn’t mean that you’re helping. A bad thing done in the name of a good thing is still a bad thing. Dunno maybe read some Kant or something.