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- world@lemmy.world
Israel’s military suggested on Tuesday that the United Nations ask Hamas for fuel supplies after the U.N. agency providing aid to Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip warned it would have to halt operations on Wednesday night if no fuel was delivered.
The agency, known as UNRWA, posted its warning on social media on Tuesday. The Israel Defense Forces reposted it and said that Hamas militants have more than 500,000 litres of fuel in tanks inside besieged Gaza.
“Ask Hamas if you can have some,” the IDF wrote.
And what happens if UNWRA does just that? Then they’ll be shamed and accused of working with a terrorist organization. It’s a no-win situation.
The reply should be, “Who should we be working with to draw equitable borders to ensure security? We’re not just asking for supplies, we’re forging local alliances to work on future solutions. “
Yeah, SHAME or CRITIQUE is really something UNRWA should not accept, to help the people it was created for.
Do let me get this straight: It is Israel’s responsibility to let even more fuel into the Gaza Strip, so it can be added to the vast amounts that Hamas already has, but it is not the responsibility of Hamas to provide the Hospitals with fuels from those vast storages?
Not many days ago, Hamas stole large quantities of fuel from the UN, too.
I feel for the civilians caught in the middle. Now is not the time to be hard headed about asking a terrorist group to do what’s right. Obviously they don’t care and the civilians are being punished too. Being callous about their suffering doesn’t solve the situation… it just feeds into the terrorist narrative.
Sorry, “now is not the time”? When is the time, then?
Idk maybe when there’s not a huge humanitarian crisis. Gotta deal with the humanitarian crisis first or find somewhere for these people to go with actual resources for them. I wouldn’t want to be operated on in a hospital without electricity or anaesthesia, and I’m certainly not wishing that on civilians here.
Asking despotic governments in charge to do what’s right never works. Why should civilians be punished?
Good questions you are asking.
Your argument essentially boils down to this: Israeli civilians are worth less than Palestinian civilians. You didn’t write it like this, but is the logical consequence of what you are asking.
You essentially want to allow Hamas to steal even more fuel that is then used for Rocket attacks. And no, those rockets are not harmless, they are made to kill and maim civilians.
Let us entertain the thought, that Israel would allow fuel delivery for humanitarian purposes only. Who is going to defend that fuel against Hamas within the Gaza Strip? You?
The irony is that all this fluff is you justifying why Israeli citizens are worth more. Just because terrorists kill civilians doesn’t give one the right to callously allow the death of yet more innocent civilians.
They both matter, which is what we’re saying when we speak out against Israel’s policy of collective punishment.
That’s not what the argument boils down to. They didn’t write it like that because that wasn’t a position they were taking. You wrote it like that because you want that to be the case. That says more about you and your character.
Civilians should not be used as fodder by either side.
Do you disagree?
Well the logical step forward would be a negotiated peace that includes lifting the blockade so Gazans don’t have a reason to launch rocket attacks. That was the idea in 2008 and 2012, only a country whose name starts with Israel didn’t follow through with it. As seen from this attack, the current Israeli policy on Palestine is a colossal failure on multiple levels, so something needs to change,
And if say, the blockade is lifted and even more rockets start to be delivered and fired at Israel. What would happen in the negotiated peace?
The blockade would be reinstated, with Gazans being told that it’ll only be lifted if Hamas is replaced, would be the logical step towards peace. But we’ve already had two of these before; we don’t need to do what-ifs. Hamas followed the 2012 ceasefire for more than a year even though Israel showed no signs of lifting the blockade or otherwise following the ceasefire.
*Honk*
Straw man. Five minute timeout.
The headline is about Israel telling the UN to ask Hamas for fuel. You’re presupposing that Hamas is going to steal Hamas’s own fuel from the UN.
You must be working for Hamas because you’re certainly not doing Israel any favors with the quality of that rhetoric.
When Palestinians aren’t being ethnically cleansed, would be a good start.
They aren’t being ethnically cleansed, but I still don’t think it’s a good time.
Idk the forcible expulsion of millions of people from their ancestral home seems to fit the definition.
They not only aren’t expelled, they literally cannot leave because no one will take them in.
Your position is that Palestinians in the northern Gaza Strip are not being told to leave their homes or risk being bombed to kingdom come?
Also how much land did Palestinians hold in 1968 vs today? Just wondering.
What? Israel has actively stated Gaza’s territory would go down after the war, and there are honest to God pogroms going on right now in the West Bank (as if settlement wasn’t already ethnic cleansing enough).
It sure sounds like you’re holding Israel and a terrorist organization to the same standard. Nobody expects terrorist organizations to be concerned about human rights. Most of us still expect democratic states to… even if they don’t always live up to it.
I continue to be amazed that Israel’s “supporters” hold them in such low esteem…“Why should they be better than terrorists?” Because, if If we can’t expect Israel’s government to be better than Hamas, then what reason do we have to support them?