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I am a parent. I have no problem with “adult-only” spaces. I don’t bring my kid to a lot of places where it is not appropriate. There are plenty of child-friendly places activities for kids. Yeah, it sucks that I have to make arrangements ahead of time if want to go to an adult-only space, but that’s what you do as a responsible parent.
It is only an issue if parents face discrimination for something that actually matters, like access to housing, food, and medical care or career opportunities.
Even parents want a break from kids.
When I was small my parents just didn’t bring me to hotels that weren’t explicitly for families. Those normal boring grown-up hotels just weren’t for us until we were old enough, so we went to the fun hotels with playgrounds. Why can’t we go back to that?
And people wouldn’t be so annoyed by children if the parents didn’t insist that they should be allowed to run around and do whatever they want. It’s not just “let me go everywhere with my kids”, it’s “let me bring my kids and then let them yell and smash things and cry as much as they want because they are kids.” There’s a nice café in my city where I don’t go anymore, because it’s full of mothers with their toddlers from the nearby playground who just continue playing as loudly as ever. Last time I went I ended up with sand in my coffee when some kid waved around his toy car that was full of sand from the playground. The mother refused to buy me a new coffee because “he’s just a kid”. A beach bar by the river actual changed their policy and now refuses entry to children under 12, because it had become too expensive for them to keep replacing food and drinks every time a kid threw the sand around. And of course the parents usually refused to pay for what their kids destroyed.
If parents can’t be trusted to make good decisions like “My 4-year-old who can’t sit still for more than a minute should not be brought to a spa where people come to relax.” or at the very least feel responsible for what they destroy, this is what happens. And if too many parents refuse to pay up when their kid destroys something, owners will prefer to ban kids.
People who say they don’t like children are being hated on, but 99% of the time they just don’t like children who are allowed to do whatever they want whereever they are and parents who take zero responsibility under the guise of it’s just a child.
And the venn of parents who are complaining about the bans and parents who are the reason there are bans is a single circle
We absolutely, positively, one hundred percent need adult only spaces as well. Especially when the goal is to relax.
A lot of parents simply aren’t doing proper parenting. As a child, I was taught not to be a nuisance to others. And those others would also correct said behaviour in kids. But these days? Kids apparently have the right to be as annoying as they can be, and god forbid you tell them to knock it off… the parent actually gets offended!
So parents are really doing this to themselves. And that’s not even mentioning the fact that we have a TON of actual child friendly vacation options. Let the adults have a proper place as well.
And if child free vacationing being on the rise bothers you? Maybe look at your parenting style.
This is basically just the sanitized internet conflict again, only it’s the parents wanting to force adult-only spaces to disappear instead of advertisers. What’s next, banning gay and lesbian bars for not catering to straight people?
I’m for a ban on children and little yapping dogs
You’re for a ban on your own existence?!
I wouldn’t have a problem with this if it weren’t for the annoyingly large fraction of parents who let their ill mannered spawn run free and let them do whatever they want.
It’s not everyone’s thing to be sure, but I started going to a nudist resort largely because of this. I really just wanted a place to go hang out that has a pool that’s not overrun with kids.
It is technically a family resort, not too many people actually show up with kids, but there’s occasionally a few, and while I don’t particularly want to see naked kids (or honestly most of the adults either, nudists are rarely the kinds of people you’d want to see naked,) the parents are obviously keeping an eye on their kids there and keep them under control.
Did you see any trans or gender non-conforming people there? If so, did you notice whether they were treated well? I want to try one, but I’m pretty obviously trans under my clothes and I don’t want weird looks.
It will of course depend on which place you go to.
I’ve only noticed 2 at this place (but it’s pretty wild how quickly you stop noticing peoples bodies when everyone is naked, so there may have been more,), but one of them is an employee, and another was a performer they had for an event.
The clientele is mostly (but not entirely) middle aged white people, and I’ve seen more than a few trump stickers on peoples vehicles there, but they do have rules about not discussing politics and religion and aren’t afraid to kick people out if they make an ass of themselves, so I haven’t witnessed anyone saying or doing anything transphobic. This place is also fairly popular with swingers and such (behind closed doors, nothing sexual allowed in public) and we’re all a little weird since we like going to nudist resorts, so I think everyone has adopted a pretty “live and let live” attitude towards people with lifestyles that are different than their own.
No shortage of gay, lesbian, bi, pan, etc people though, and there are usually more than a few rainbow flags flying around the campground.
So I can’t really imagine anyone making an issue of it at the place I’ve been going.
There’s also a few nude/clothing-optional resorts out there that cater more specifically to LGBTQ people, so that’s potentially also an option.
Also, weirdly, I feel like in a lot of cases, depending on the state of their transition, it may be harder than you think to tell someone is trans/gender non-conforming there. Can’t exactly base your assumptions about someone’s gender by the clothes they’re wearing after all. Not that people would necessarily assume the right gender, mind you.
Great points, thanks for your detailed response.
Right? That’s kind of why they exist.
…or they tell other non-parent adults what they can do or say around their children.
I absolutely agree that certain language and behavior shouldn’t be around young children, but then that means there must be child-free places allowed for adults to do these things with other adults.
So the parents should get additional fees for disturbing the peace if the kids go too far?
No, the parents should find another hotel.
Would spread the word pretty fast. I get noise complaints and/or fees at home, why are hotels exempt?
Split it up so there’s a family-friendly section and an adults-only section. Adults-only section can have the bar (adults in family-friendly section can still order a drink, it just has to be brought over). Family-friendly section has a play place. Each side has a pool.
As a parent, that’s actually genius.
Just describing something some restaurants do already, and applying it to a hotel << >>
Just make clothing optional.
No idea what French parents/children are like but across the pond I’ve had many a good time ruined by children acting way out of line and parents doing nothing at all. I wish there were more explicitly child free attractions here for that reason
Can they not have policies and kick unruly customers out?
Problem is even I, being a childless bloke and having an intense dislike of loud children, feel for parents who just want to go out and do something they might like for once to have a break. So you’d have to be the minimum wage employee kicking out a parent just trying to relax and get out of the house for once.
The alternative you’re the minimum wage employee that has to kick out the shit parent who’ll then blow up at you for daring to acknowledge their crotch spawn running around the restaurant fucking up the vibe for everyone else. Right before they lie about it and you on social media.
A notable exception to equal opportunity law in the US us that you are allowed to discriminate against an individual on the basis of their age, as long as it’s not old age.
Calm down Karen it’s ok to have different choices.
make it a porn hotel then
Swingers Hotel, the logo is a jazz trio and a wink 😉
*jizz trio
Ah a fellow cantina band fan
No.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Fine, is not like I was going to a resort in France anyways.
I’m all for this ban.
The kind of people that can’t tolerate having children around in a resort or hotel deserve to get upset.
Fuck them.
I like children; I attended my 6-year-old niece’s birthday party yesterday and had a great time. I don’t like unruly children whose parents allow them to run amok and screech like a banshee at all hours.
You can only be woken up by screaming so many times before you lose your patience. I stayed at a hotel for a single week for work and was woken up before 6 AM by kids yelling for no reason 3 mornings out of 5. It wasn’t even at a resort.
God forbid you ever want to spend a little time in that hotel pool, either. It’ll be occupied literally at all hours by those loud-ass kids.
I’m curious. Wouldn’t you want those intolerant people who don’t want children around to stay nice and far away from you? Like… say… at their own hotel where you don’t have to interact with them?
Nope.
Damn you’re just dying to tell the world you’re an asshole, aren’t you?
