European here. Tipping is not already included in the price of the meal. Living wage is included in the price of the meal.
Tips is completely voluntary, if you think the service was excellent then you really just round up to the nearest nice round number (something like 22.85 becomes 25)
Yup, something like $2.50/hr, when federal minimum wage is ~$7.50. If a server doesn’t make minimum wage, the restaurant is required to step them up.
It’s a stupid system IMO, because not leaving a tip is a giant slap in the face, when it really should just mean “you did just okay.” If the service is really that bad, I will complain and expect a comp or something on the bill, so the bill should reflect “good enough” service. I’d actually like to pay tips if it actually meant “fantastic service,” like putting up with my screaming children, convincing the cook to make something off-menu, or still providing good service when we’re not spending much (we don’t drink, and that’s like 50% of the bill). I’d prefer to tip based on the service, not on the size of the bill.
Oh, and if we had such a system, not taxing tips would make a ton of sense since it’s pretty literally a gift.
Because they’re a part of the society you rely on and they are quite literally serving you. I don’t know how to explain to you that you should care about people, regardless of whether others care about them
If I were taking advantage of their services, I would tip them too. As I’m benefiting from a first-world plate carrier’s service, I’ll tip them. Participating in a society by only doing things that help others when you might suffer consequences (via poor service on a return visit) is poor manners at the very least.
I don’t think this conversation is going to be very productive (at least on my end), so I’ll cut it off here. Have a good one.
Pittsburgh has the slang term “Yinz” which is used like “y’all” and I’ve taken to using the singular “yin” for a gender neutral replacement for “guy” in the phrase “my guy”, because “my yin” still carries that condescending tone that’s vital (to me, anyways). Not telling you what to say or anything just fun to come across some grappling with the same language problem
In the US, sure. But in Europe, a tip isn’t expected, so any tip you give means “better than average service.” As in, what tips should’ve been all along.
I have no problem giving tips, I have a problem with tips being expected.
someone once told me tips where invented to skip the queue at the bar… and apparenty its also some witty acronym for that as well (the brits supposedly invented the concept and they famously like to play with their words)
edit: “To Insure Promptness”, but apparently that’s just a backronym that someone made later… damn, i enjoyed that factoid, never should’ve checked it xD
European here. Tipping is not already included in the price of the meal. Living wage is included in the price of the meal.
Tips is completely voluntary, if you think the service was excellent then you really just round up to the nearest nice round number (something like 22.85 becomes 25)
American here. I understood most of what you said, except for the phrase “living wage”. Could you explain this to me? I’ve never heard of it before.
Livable wage, is that a better term for it?
Cuz noone else pointed it out to you, the comment you responded to was sarcastic. It wasnt a language barrier thing.
Ah. I thought I had used the wrong term.
Nah, all we have are poverty wages and billionaires here.
Oh man how I wish to tell you all about Belgium’s healthindex.
That is the tip. In the US, “tipped” labor often has a reduced minimum wage, under the expectation that they make the difference up in tips.
Yup, something like $2.50/hr, when federal minimum wage is ~$7.50. If a server doesn’t make minimum wage, the restaurant is required to step them up.
It’s a stupid system IMO, because not leaving a tip is a giant slap in the face, when it really should just mean “you did just okay.” If the service is really that bad, I will complain and expect a comp or something on the bill, so the bill should reflect “good enough” service. I’d actually like to pay tips if it actually meant “fantastic service,” like putting up with my screaming children, convincing the cook to make something off-menu, or still providing good service when we’re not spending much (we don’t drink, and that’s like 50% of the bill). I’d prefer to tip based on the service, not on the size of the bill.
Oh, and if we had such a system, not taxing tips would make a ton of sense since it’s pretty literally a gift.
In the US, if you are never going to return to an establishment, why tip?
Because you care about other people?
Why should I when their employers don’t?
Because they’re a part of the society you rely on and they are quite literally serving you. I don’t know how to explain to you that you should care about people, regardless of whether others care about them
So tipping is for charity? Why should the wait staff get priority over the Tibetan koala sanctuary (or any other charity of your choice)?
There are many more people in the world who deserve greater care than 1st world plate carriers.
If I were taking advantage of their services, I would tip them too. As I’m benefiting from a first-world plate carrier’s service, I’ll tip them. Participating in a society by only doing things that help others when you might suffer consequences (via poor service on a return visit) is poor manners at the very least.
I don’t think this conversation is going to be very productive (at least on my end), so I’ll cut it off here. Have a good one.
To add to that I’d say there’s no drama attached to not leaving a tip.
Totally, waiters don’t expect a tip at all. So if it’s given, it’s appreciated even more.
My guy/gal/pal.
We do things differently in different parts of Europe.
You’re right, I made the same mistake as OP. There is no “European system of tipping”.
Pittsburgh has the slang term “Yinz” which is used like “y’all” and I’ve taken to using the singular “yin” for a gender neutral replacement for “guy” in the phrase “my guy”, because “my yin” still carries that condescending tone that’s vital (to me, anyways). Not telling you what to say or anything just fun to come across some grappling with the same language problem
Well, a lot of restaurants add a few percent tip to large parties in my experience (and some try to start that shit for tables of 4).
But that means if I don’t tip they’ll think I thought the service wasn’t excellent :(
In the US, sure. But in Europe, a tip isn’t expected, so any tip you give means “better than average service.” As in, what tips should’ve been all along.
I have no problem giving tips, I have a problem with tips being expected.
someone once told me tips where invented to skip the queue at the bar… and apparenty its also some witty acronym for that as well (the brits supposedly invented the concept and they famously like to play with their words)
edit: “To Insure Promptness”, but apparently that’s just a backronym that someone made later… damn, i enjoyed that factoid, never should’ve checked it xD
Ensure would be the right word here, but tep doesn’t sound as nice
haha now that you say it… maybe i didn’t question it cos it involved money to ensure xD
Just say it with a New Zealand accent
i you mean it, tip 10-15% of the bill! (often the “living wage” is still precarious.)