Tuta is a end-to-end-encryption mail and calendar provider. They recently wrote a good blog-post about changing to european services.
Even Gmail allows to use the email client of your choice, going for an email provider that force you to use their app is a bummer
You probably don’t need that legendary plan though. You can get the regular plan for the same price later, it offers more than enough for a regular user. As of now, try it for free. Fuck FOMO.
lol I was literally FOMOing on this, and it’s so true that I don’t even need the legendary plan. Thank you for bringing me back to reality.
I really dislike Tuta for their refusal to support SMTP/IMAP and PGP, let alone CalDAV or CardDAV. Posteo’s approach is way better.
SMTP/IMAP
Is this not a deal breaker for, like, everyone?
Web apps.
For reference I work for a competing mail provider and the majority of our users don’t use SMTP or IMAP, instead exclusively using the web app.
or the app app lol. Tuta has apps on all platforms.
Personally never had to use either protocol, what’s your use case? - genuinely curios.
Using Thunderbird as opposed to tuta’s quite barebones client:
- delayed messaging
- message scheduling
- local backup of mails
- no email import
- desktop app failures (happens quite often to me that I just can’t log in)
Not to mention other external QoL functionalities like a home assistant tablet being able to display a family calendar and being able to automate based off of events
Defo some good points here that I had not thought of, am too used to using webclients. Though Tuta does have an mail import feature.
Tuta’s discount is tempting, but I’ve also seen StartMail doing 50% off lately. Definitely feels like a good time to test a couple out, especially if you care more about UX than just encryption.
Sadly, no calendar on startmail which is a non-starter for getting my family on it.
Seems to be nothing really with mail + calendar + encryption + IMAP from a smaller company.
Not sure if it’s encrypted,b but mailbox.org has email + calendar + I can add it to K-9 and Geary (so I think it does support IMAP?)?
Nice! I am thinking either mailbox.org or posteo. They have IMAP. They support pgp indeed it seems. One of those might be a winner!
How do you use email without SMTP/IMAP?
Posteo has no custom domain support, deal breaker for me. As far as I understand they don’t support IMAP in order to keep their encryption working, and I believe others like Proton do the same thing. Since their webapp is good and they even have an official client on Fdroid, I don’t think it’s a big deal
For people who want custom domain support, as well as SMTP/IMAP, but still euro-based, Nubo may be more what you’re looking for if you’re OK with dealing with a newer company.
Oh, wow. Didn’t realize Tuta didn’t work with IMAP/POP/SMTP. https://tuta.com/support/howto#imap
That’s pretty cool, haven’t heard of this service before. The website is a little light on technical details but I do like the co-op model.
Not sure what they’re running for email, but for the other cloud services, I think they just run Nextcloud?
They do, yeah, and the email is RoundCube from memory? I have a personal Nextcloud and really can’t fault them for using it in place of building Yet Another in-house drive solution - it’s good software, bront.
Just started a test subscription with posteo… I’m rather disappointed they don’t allow to view the email previews in vertical columns. Their layout is horizontal only and can’t be changed. It’s a very small pet peeve, but i wasn’t expecting not being able to change that :(
What do you use smtp/imap for?
Email apps.
Tuta kept giving me ads despite being a premium user and when I finally decided to leave they made it impossible to cancel. I had to delete my account to get out of the bind.
Are you referring to their newsletter? I just set a spam filtering rule to automatically discard those. Also can you elaborate more on it being hard to cancel your subscription? I can do it very easily.
I do have my own list of complaints about Tuta, but so far they are the best I’ve found
That’s not the only one, but I refuse workarounds on services I pay for out of principle.
They sent me an ad for the legendary plan sale even though I am already a legendary user already. It was amusing because it is literally the only email they have sent me in my several months of using them
It’s fun to see how people rage over corporations who sell their data and let people use their products for free. And when you want to use more private products, they complain about how they need to pay for it.
I have been using Tuta for a couple of years now, when I decided to not use Google anymore and I think Tuta is worth the money.
You need to use Tuta’s application because they can’t provide their security with a other applications.
If anything ever happens I’m more than willing to leave but as for now it more than accomplishes what I need it to.
My big plus is I was able to get my last name as my email address so it’s way shorter than it used to be.
I checked out their business offering because I was curious and apparently they don’t even support single sign-on.
What the hell‽ How do they expect to sell to businesses if they can even support the most basic features like SSO in 2025?
This is made worse by the fact that they don’t support phishing resistant authentication like passkeys. Single sign on could have solved this since login (including stuff like mfa) would be handled by idP
What SSO are you expecting? Google? Microsoft? GitHub? You see the problem here?
The missing passkey is certainly something they can work on but this is definitely not a critical feature
I would want to be able to use any of the common IdPs. That does indeed include Google Identity, Microsoft Entra ID, GitHub, Okta, AWS, but also self hosted (and often open source) IdPs like AD FS, Keycloak, Shibboleth, Gluu Server, and so on.
It’s ridiculous that a supposed business plan doesn’t support SSO to even generic spec compliant SAML or OIDC IdPs. It’s not exactly rocket science.
There is absolutely no way in hell we would ever use this at work when it lacks even rudimentary SSO.
It might be targeted more towards smaller businesses but more and more companies are moving towards SSO and passwordless so they should implement it.
*for the first year of the subscription only.
Exactly, get you locked in then you pay full price at renewal
I’m sorry, but did you expect them to give you 62% off permanently?
Yes? It’s not uncommon to see discounts stick for the life of the sub. It locks people in because they don’t want to lose that sweet deal, sometimes even if there’s a cheaper/more appropriate package elsewhere.
Well, no, I’m just pointing out that it’s a marketing tactic. Still a great deal if you were planning on purchasing that plan anyway.
Long time free user here. Now I’m tented.
Tented? 😏
Maybe its tempted? Idk, I’m translating from Italian… 😅
Bone apple tea.
I have been using Tuta since the start of the year when I decided it was time to remove myself from Big Tech as much as I can. Really highly recommend them!
Sigh, I have just one problem with Tuta - why such a stupid, stupid name?! I can already imagine myself on the phone saying “yes, T. U. T. A. Tuta dot com”
I sadly agree. It is an odd choice for a name. Tutanota wasn’t much better either, their former name. Apparently “tuta” means secure in Latin. However as I am using my own custom domain it doesn’t bother me very much personally as it’s not a part of my digital identity 😅
Oh! I didn’t know it has a latin origin. Then I guess it makes sense but still …
I got a question about custom domains for email. I know getting trust if you host your own email server is a difficult thing to do. When you use a custom domain on for example tuta, are you piggy backing off of their trust as a email server, or do you run into the same issue?
You use their servers and IPS. You’re just pointing your DNS to their stuff.
Much easier and more trustworthy than running your own, like you said.
Right, that makes it a bit easier to go that route. Now I just need to secure a decent domain name that’s easy to spell out over the phone ^^
Never learned Latin ? Not our or their fault.
Don’t get me started! In Romanian ‘tuta’ is a designation for a very stupid woman! 🤷♂️
It really is. Could’ve been worse, like having some “I love Tuta” stickers. smh
TIL: they used to be called Tutanota. The word “Tuta” comes from Latin, which roughly translates into “Safe”. This acts as a nice successor to what “Tutanota” meant in Latin, which was “Secure Note”.
How about some pcloud in these trying times?
I don’t know if keemailme is better but that’s another option from them.
Yeah good point. If tuta is a big throw off they do offer:
coolName@keemail[.]me
They have other domains available.
Thanks so much that’s a great discount.
Oh wow
My Proton account still runs til November (it’s cancelled) this year, would be nice to subscribe to Tuta and activate it starting October so I cpuld move stuff. Guess I have to hope for other deals in the future
This has always been under good advisement, for privacy.
Also consider KolabNow
