“Or we just give up and die because the solution involves money.”
That is a falsehood. One you’re conditioned to propagate. The solution would involve rejecting profit and the infinite growth capitalism requires in favor of homeostatsis with this world. Growing our own food and resources locally, re-establishing bartering instead of capital currency to revaluate things that matter, food/medicine/construction supplies, instead of things that don’t, useless plastic/shiny metal junk, as we do now. abandoning consumerism for things we don’t need to survive and prosper.
We won’t do that, but that would be the available solution. We will instead stay the course, and buy the latest oligarch snake oil like planetary scale carbon filter vaporware they’re trying to sell governments, just like “clean coal” and “natural” ethanol as solutions before it.
The capitalists dooming us all will continue to sell us the newest “solution” to the problems they cause, all the way into oblivion.
Is this why you put externalities in quotes? What you’re calling an available solution is a massive prisoner’s dilemma - whoever goes first is worse off.
I’m not saying its something our species would ever be willing to do, put the needs of the species over how do I get a better deal than other humans/what’s in it for ME?
I’m saying its what we should be doing. Selfishness, at the end of the day, is the very reason we’re doomed by our own hands though.
There is no long term eventuality where humanity survives AND continues to sanction greed, our most destructive, darkest impulse. At least someone who hurts others out of hatred cared about who they hurt and how they hurt them in some way. Insatiable greed treats its victims as nameless speed bumps to glorious acquisition.
Someone taking more than they need in front of other humans should be treated with the same revulsion and consequences as pedophilia imho. Again, that won’t happen. We are doomed, after all.
That’s what I was referring to as “give up and die”.
If it can’t work with the humans that exist, then it’s not an actual solution, or even valid economics for that matter. There’s been a lot of research into externalities and how to address them.
It sounds like we need a way to address externalities that they can’t simply shut down. Like bittorrent but for insurance.
Or we just give up and die because the solution involves money.
“Or we just give up and die because the solution involves money.”
That is a falsehood. One you’re conditioned to propagate. The solution would involve rejecting profit and the infinite growth capitalism requires in favor of homeostatsis with this world. Growing our own food and resources locally, re-establishing bartering instead of capital currency to revaluate things that matter, food/medicine/construction supplies, instead of things that don’t, useless plastic/shiny metal junk, as we do now. abandoning consumerism for things we don’t need to survive and prosper.
We won’t do that, but that would be the available solution. We will instead stay the course, and buy the latest oligarch snake oil like planetary scale carbon filter vaporware they’re trying to sell governments, just like “clean coal” and “natural” ethanol as solutions before it.
The capitalists dooming us all will continue to sell us the newest “solution” to the problems they cause, all the way into oblivion.
Is this why you put externalities in quotes? What you’re calling an available solution is a massive prisoner’s dilemma - whoever goes first is worse off.
“whoever goes first is worse off.”
I’m not saying its something our species would ever be willing to do, put the needs of the species over how do I get a better deal than other humans/what’s in it for ME?
I’m saying its what we should be doing. Selfishness, at the end of the day, is the very reason we’re doomed by our own hands though.
There is no long term eventuality where humanity survives AND continues to sanction greed, our most destructive, darkest impulse. At least someone who hurts others out of hatred cared about who they hurt and how they hurt them in some way. Insatiable greed treats its victims as nameless speed bumps to glorious acquisition.
Someone taking more than they need in front of other humans should be treated with the same revulsion and consequences as pedophilia imho. Again, that won’t happen. We are doomed, after all.
That’s what I was referring to as “give up and die”.
If it can’t work with the humans that exist, then it’s not an actual solution, or even valid economics for that matter. There’s been a lot of research into externalities and how to address them.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/09/oil-companies-discourage-climate-action-study-says/
Yes, they’re addressing the problem quite effectively.
Can I interest you in a carbon filter in these trying times?
Or you could perhaps start on Wikipedia.
If it fulfills you to label me as ignorant, I have no problem with that.
I would be more fulfilled if you didn’t spread defeatism and refuse to educate yourself.