• EmoDuck@sh.itjust.works
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    12 hours ago

    Seems like reasonable demand

    Of course, for fairness sake that would also mean no Russian troops in any russian countries bordering the West

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    12 hours ago

    Of course, his demands are impossible. That way, he can just point to everyone else and say “see? They’re prolonging the war!“

    I really wish people would stop, acting shocked and surprised when Putin and Trump do shit like this. We have known, for decades, that both of them are insane monsters. Do something!

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      Trump might be insane but Putin is far from it. He’s been locked in a battle for the survival of his regime (and by extension his life) for decades. He’s extremely savvy at playing the political game in Russia.

      Trump basically shoots from the hip all the time and thinks only his relationships with people and his deal-making matter. He’s a sitting duck for a manipulator like Putin.

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      That way, he can just point to everyone else and say “see? They’re prolonging the war!“

      Luckily this only works for two year iods and the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet.

      Which is who is in charge of a lot of places, but you’d think normal people would never listen for a second.

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    12 hours ago

    Russia is not a serious country. The demands are essentially a shitpost. It’s one of the most delusional things I’ve seen in a while.

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    15 hours ago

    So Russia wants vassal states of everyone on their border. Just fucking try it with Finland. Go on, it will be funny.

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        All the Eastern Europeans know that Russia is not to be trusted. There is a reason all of them pushed so hard to join NATO.

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            One day an old jewish pole, living in Warsaw, has his last light bulb burn out. To get a new one he’ll have to stand in line for two hours at the store (and they’ll probably be out by the time he gets there), so he goes up to his attic and starts rummaging around for an old oil lamp he vaguely remembers seeing.

            He finds the old brass lamp in the bottom of a trunk that has seen better days. He starts to polish it and (poof!) a genie appears in cloud of smoke.

            “Hoho, Mortal!” says the genie, stretching and yawning, “For releasing me I will grant you three wishes.”

            The old man thinks for a moment, and says, “I want Genghis Khan resurrected. I want him to re-unite his mongol hordes, march to the Polish border, and then decide he doesn’t want the place and march back home.”

            “No sooner said than done!” thunders the genie. “Your second wish?”

            “Ok. I want Genghis Khan resurrected. I want him to re-unite his mongol hordes, march to the Polish border, and then decide he doesn’t want the place and march back home.”

            “Hmmm. Well, all right. Your third wish?”

            “I want Genghis Khan resurrected. I want him to re-unite his --”

            “Okokok. Right. What’s this business about Genghis Khan marching to Poland and turning around again?”

            The old man smiles. “He has to pass through Russia six times.”

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          13 hours ago

          Go speak with real people, everyone I know is terrified of immigrants and want to vote for the furthest right, even pis despite their past scandals with selling visas.

          They’re telling me the ukrainean ““dictator”” is a world wide begger that keeps the war going to get rich. The Polish are clad with propaganda. They will be invaded by the Russians and they will love it

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              Millions of Romanians voted a president to join the ukrainean invasion ON THE RUSSIAN SIDE, are you telling me I hallucinated this?

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              He’s right though. Bulgarians love Russia, because Russians kicked Turks out over a century ago. Hungary and Slovakia are full on pro Russia right now and are not even hiding it. Plenty of Polish people love PiS who are pro Russian and I have no clue how PiS lost last elections.

              And the Western countries are not much different. Le Pen almost won in France, AFD and Reform are on the rise in Germany and the UK. And, holly fuck, Trump got a second term in the US.

              It is utterly delusional to think that Russia lacks strong support. “Haha ruzzkies” thinking is only playing into Putin’s hand.

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                PiS pro-russian? what the fuck are you talking about

                you can say a lot about them, they’re corrupt, they dismantled judiciary, they’re anti-EU, they’re nationalist, they are republican cocksuckers, but they’re not pro-russian

                e: just like 2 days ago i’ve heard that Duda wants Americans to station nuclear weapons in Poland. that’s pro-russian PiS for you. who do you think are these supposed to be used against, aliens?

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              he’s not wrong. AfD are on the rise in Germany, NF in France, Reform in the UK. Immigration is the core issue for a huge swathe of the european population. whether you believe in russian interferance or not it wont matter when these parties get in, which they will.

              There is some extremely concerning polling in the UK putting reform ahead of all of the other parties including the one currently in government.

              We have some strong european leadership right now in terms of rhetoric, but macron is weak domestically, and Merz had to form a coalition to keep the AfD out

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                “Merz had to form a coalition…”

                Dude, ever since the BRD exists ALL governments in Germany were coalitions.
                Every single one of them.
                So, if you dont understand what you talking about about, please read some wiki article or something, and skip the rightwing bullshit propaganda on youtube, ok?

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                  AfD is getting close to large enough to make forming a coalition to cut them out of the decision making process not possible without increasing fragile coalitions from other parties that dont work well together.

                  but keep ignoring the problem, sure

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                Immigrants are just a Boogeyman being used as propaganda to prop up Russian-backed conservative political movements.

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                  so? doesnt mean its not an issue that concerns the average voter. at the end of the day they’re the ones who decide who forms a government

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            11 hours ago

            Can confirm. Trump is also considered a good guy with his hard stance. Wouldn’t say everyone though. That’s just the right wing narrative, which means everyone in certain cities and most rural areas.

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    so, NATO’s surrender then… as a condition of a cease-fire with Ukraine… which isn’t a NATO member… which Putin invaded ostensibly to prevent it from joining NATO. right…

    sure, I think we can do that. no Western troops, no problem! we’ll just give them each a few dozen hydrogen bombs, and call it even.

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      A few dozen hydrogen bombs each? Sir, this is Europe! We won’t have such uncivilised weapons that could be used for discriminatory purposes in our beautiful continent.

      No, the only solution is for every country in the EU, NATO, or bordering Russia to be equipped with a Project Sundial device. It’s the only way to preserve European unity.

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        If built and detonated, Sundial would have created a fireball up to 50 kilometers (30 miles) in diameter, instantly igniting everything within 400 kilometers (250 miles) and causing a magnitude 9 earthquake. It was thought that the explosion would lead to an apocalyptic nuclear winter, drastically lowering global temperatures and contaminating water sources, resulting in mass fatalities.

        If detonated at an altitude of 28 miles (45 km) the Sundial device could ignite fires across an area the size of France.

        The fuck is wrong with us?

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          that’s 50s nuclear weapons development for ya

          also probably didn’t help that it’s likely that Teller had autism and just wanted to make bigger bomb until he was removed from nuclear weapons design teams

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            so autism caused Musk to seig heil, and autism caused Teller to build doomsday devices. so basically Dr. Strangelove is autism’s final form. (/s)

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              50s were also sorta time of finding out what practical limits were, but when Teller showed them 1000Mt device USAF decided that it’s a bit too much, couple Mt is plenty. when USAF tells you it’s too much boom you might have gone insane

              other than that, Teller was a fucking asshole, he stole credit for other’s people’s work, he clinged to his own failed ideas against evidence (that makes him a shitty scientist), despised Carl Sagan, he was responsible for getting Oppenheimer out of Los Alamos, also a schemer and a rabid mccarthyist the entire time. so maybe you’re onto something

              if he was worse at physics he’d be probably setting acetylene bottles on fire in some field or something like this

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          There’s the short story “A Colder War” by Charles Stross. Among other things, there’s a reference to a real-life nuclear weapon concept called Project Pluto. In the story, it turns out it was built to try and kill Cthulhu.

          So… maybe that’s the goal of Sundial? Cthulhu would be a valid target for a weapon that ludicrous.

          Otherwise, I agree. “The fuck is wrong with us” is the only valid conclusion.

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          I mean, there are people who want to pursue theoretical weapons, that would completely sterilize earth, if the theoretically possible concept could be proven to actually work. Only reason we really aren’t is the impracticality of the research. So, if it were more practical an idea to research, we’d be on it.

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            the problem becomes size and amount of expensive materials, technically it’s not even particularly interesting, all parts are there and some designs were tested when thermonuclear weapons were first developed

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              Yes with this, I was talking about weapons that theoretically could exist, but we don’t know if what we think could work will, because just researching it isn’t practical. However, if that weren’t the case, we absolutely would be researching things like neutronium bombs, and such.