ITT people missing the point and projecting their own beliefs and values.
This is how people “strawman”. It’s easy to hate on atheists if you just see them all as their asshole members. The truth is that any group has their violent nutjobs and vocal minorities. You can’t just say all Muslims are terrorists just the same as you can’t say feminists are hateful crazies.
The Christian one should be a missionary actually helping people. Christian faith that only exists in church is a false faith
hi. proud asshole here. destroy all abrahamic religions for the sake of humanity.
Nothing has done more harm than religion.
3 of these are real examples things the people on the right did, the last is a meme made to make fun of feminists. Don’t get me wrong, there’s a level of feminism that goes too far, I just have yet to see an example of this in real life. There’s something about women in general that makes society eager dismiss them offhand as silly and ridiculous whenever they have opinions.
There are some women like that in real life actually
So you’ve never met a TERF in real life?
And ‘assholes’ just appear at random? Nothing in these groups increases or decreases the asshole frequency? Imagine if we thought of all culture that way. Forget about progressive politics changing people’s minds and thereby their behavior. “Some people are just ‘assholes’, what are you gonna do?”
Assuming the probability of assholiness based on culture is how you treat cultures unequally. You fight assholiness in the individual level. You can’t change a culture like that. You can only educate people and they will change their own culture.
Assuming the probability of assholiness based on culture is how you treat cultures unequally.
If you agree that bad ideas can be part of cultures (large or small) to a higher or lesser degree, it follows that some cultures have a higher frequency of people with the need for the individual ‘education’ you’re suggesting.
Its always fun when the christian pastor will joke about changing the carpets in the church, while i see posts about the muslims in ramadan will give food to the poor during thier religious month or ramadan.
Hell (jumping to the dark side. Sorry muslims) but suicide bombers are willing to give thier life to what they believe in (yes, killing others is bad, but giving your life to a cause is respectible), while my christian pastor will live next to neighbours sleeping on a matress in thier front yard, and do nothing to help thier PHYSICAL neighbour.
Maybe I am the outlier, but for all I see, Christians are the ones pretending to do good, while the muslims had a rough patch almost 20 years ago, and are doing more good that the christians in the last 5 years or so.
Not sure where you’re from, but in germany and austria, christians are definitely doing good. Churches here have a lot of support networks for everyone, especially elderly and people in need. In germany, we also have the “diakonie”, a service of the … protestant church? (idk how to translate that properly into english, the opposites of catholics here lmao), which is a major part of elderly care. And in many villages or smaller cities, the churches are open during the night for the homeless to take shelter, if they want to.
While I’m really not a big fan of religions in general, I feel like it’s unfair to claim that christians don’t do anything for society at large. At least from my european perspective.
Born in South Africa. Grand Father was a Pastor. He put sandwiches on top of the rubbish bins so homeless wouldnt have to search bins for food. (Went back there as an adult. So many things to say there)
Early teens in UAE. Had Muslim neighbours. Nicest family Ive met. Didnt push thier beliefs on anyone.
Australia. Mid teens to adult+. Got diss-illusioned with the church. Pastor made jokes about rhe old building. Had a notebook to take notes on what he said each week. Realised he duplicated some sermons.
I am fully open to believe it was my late teens - ealry adulthood that opened my eyes to the real world, or irs the churches fault for not sheltering me enough to convinee me that christianty is the way forward.
I already said the pastor had neighbours sleeping in the yard, but at the same time, they were trying to convice us teens to go overseas ro recruit new christians there. If you can afford plane tickets over seas, you can afford a blanket and some hot food for people in your home town.
Again, theres over 7 billion people on this planet. Maybe im just unlucky, got the short straw, and saw the worst of christianity, but im probably not going back.
Edit/Update Theres nothing wrong with believing in something. There is something wrong with forcing others to believe in what you believe.
My mom is a devout christian, but was forced to divorce my abusive dad. Am I going to tell her she is wrong? No, jesus is what is keeping her sane. My dad believes that he is the man of the house, but now he thinks the can punch his way to victory. Forcing others to believe what he believes is a no-no.
My aunt in South Africa is living in 1/4 of a house. (Bought for cheep ro renovate with husband. Husband died. Now she is 50+y/o, living in a bedroom, baththoom, and kitchen, while the living room, dining room, and 3 bedrooms are pretty much non-exsistent, with only her faith to keep her going? Im not going to tell her that she made a mistake.
Faith/belief can make ordinary humans do incredible things.
But forcing it onto others is where I get uncomfortable.
Sorry for the autism :)
Why is the bottom right picture done like that, it looks like these feminists just want to be more like men.
Why am I saying this? Because that position of the arm is there to show a bulging contracted bicep. Women have a lot less muscle there, so it doesn’t make sense.
Wouldn’t feminism be better when striving for things that women are naturally better at than men.
We don’t need to do the same stuff, everyone can do what they want.
But don’t make a fish climb a tree. Everyone should cultivate their own strengths and learn their own weaknesses.
And for women, being physically strong will usually be less attainable. Obviously there are exceptions. When I was 65 kg I could deadlift 140 kg, so a lot of muscle isn’t actually needed for strength, but still you get what I’m saying.
This type of stuff, as I was growing up, made me actually believe men and women were the same.
After years of talking extensively to men and women, I can assure you that’s not the case.
There should be no stereotyping, but we are indeed different and do not need to be the same.
/End autistic rant
I forgive you your autism lol, I was raised very similarly especially because I had three sporty sisters (much sportier than I was).
Everyone should cultivate their own strengths and learn their own weaknesses.
That’s what happens if you remove sex barriers for work. For instance, most people could not be firefighters regardless of their sex or hormonal makeup. In fact most men do not have what it takes to be a firefighter. But some men do, and some women also do. And most importantly, these men and women have the drive and motivation to become good at it.
I’m not even saying there are the same amount of qualified candidates between men and women, but there are enough in both groups that it makes sense not to limit applications along lines of sex or gender.
Of course it shouldn’t be limited. Sometimes it feels like they are shoving women in the direction of being more like men. Which I find unnecessary.
Just let people be who they are
It sometimes feels fabricated
If you’d like a bit of a read, the character portrayed there is named Rosie the Riveter.
It’s definitely a wartime relic, but the history behind it is very interesting!
There should be no stereotyping, but we are indeed different and do not need to be the same.
thank you very much. that is called common sense, not autism. we can celebrate our differences as well as our similarities.
The best example of an asshole atheist they could find was one making a shitty anti-theist meme, meanwhile the examples of asshole Christians and Muslims are violent
Many atheists take part in racism and violence. There was plenty during the Cold War, collapse of Yugoslavia, Gulf War, post-9/11 and both Trump terms.
Yeah but they don’t do it in the name of atheism. Being an atheist doesn’t mean you can’t be a cunt just the same as being religious doesn’t mean you can’t be a cunt.
Mao, Kim jong un, Stalin…
They weren’t killing in the name of atheism though
You can sugar coat it however you like and No-True-Scotsman till the cows come home, but North Korea, iirc, even today, kills, imprisons and tortures more people for their beliefs than any other country.
Believing that atheists are somehow immune from shittiness is absurd. No broad category of people is immune from shittiness.
Again they don’t kill these people cause they believe in god and they are against god, they kill them cause a large group of people who believe in a higher power could undermine their own dictatorial power and control, there’s a reason a lot of these assholes try to elevate their image to a god like being, they want to desperately control the narrative.
“The Soviet Union (1922–1991) had a long history of state atheism, whereby those who were seeking social success generally had to profess atheism and stay away from places of worship; this trend became especially militant during the middle of the Stalinist era, which lasted from 1929 to 1953.”
“The Communist Party engaged in diverse activities such as destroying places of worship, executing religious leaders, flooding schools and media with anti-religious propaganda, and propagated “scientific atheism”.[55][56] It sought to make religion disappear by various means.[57][58] Thus, the USSR became the first state to have as one objective of its official ideology the elimination of the existing religion, and the prevention of the future implanting of religious belief, with the goal of establishing state atheism (gosateizm).”
I’ve went through that personally so I’m very well aware but still I don’t think its very much of the same thing. It’s less due to atheism per se and more to do with the fact that people groups were just dangerous to the regime and this extended way beyond religion.
Finally someone who can think
CCP and USSR stamped out religious practice, but go off.
As an Atheist myself, don’t delude yourself into thinking religion is unique in its capacity for horrors. Humans have that capacity, any group we make would also have that capacity.
“Praise science!” - Southpark
I was commenting on the examples the meme chose to use. It implies they couldn’t find examples of violent atheists
And by implication pointed out the difficulty in finding one. Unless you literally made a statement about just the types of images they chose with no further intellectual depth, which I mean is possible (I do that shit all the time), it comes with the assumed next statement about there not being violent atheists, or at least there are less violent atheists. So I was talking to that point.
That being said, I’m autistic so I might just missing the point, but I figured that my statement should still be made in case others thought like I did initially. There have been atrocities committed by atheists and there are violent atheists.
They should have used the destruction of temples in Kyiv
It’s been a while since I’ve seen drag! :)
Drag got banned from blahaj and decided to take a step back from Lemmy
hopefully drag is doing better now. Good to see drag back.
(PS. is saying “good seeing ya” be ok with how neopronouns work? or would “drag” instead of “ya” be better?)
well you can find them on social media hating on women instead. a lot of early atheist youtubers went on to become gamergaters.
or look at a popular one like Dawkins who is busy being a transphobe nowadays. imagine being an atheist and wasting the remainder of your precious and only life trying to make the precious and only life of the most marginalized people in society even worse.
or sam harris who literally defended torture.
Still. Putting Dawkins up against the KKK is a reach.
each of them doing what they’re capable of. the kkk used to have a lot of power. dawkins is just a misogynistic, transphobic nerd. it’s all circumstance. full time hating can lead to a lot of places. for bitches like him it’s mostly trying to get others to do the dirty work.
There are a lot of edgy athiests using all their time attacking trans people these days, because an unfortunate number of them are mainly athiests as a way to hate Muslims. And the ones taking the time to attack trans people have almost all joined the alt right, which has been responsible for a lot of attacks on innocent people.
They may not be killing in the name of atheism, but they have been in the same of “reason” and “defence of women”.
Maybe I’m sheltered but I don’t know of a single atheist attacking trans people. I’m not saying there aren’t any because anyone can be an asshole but I’m not sure if it’s a lot.
I haven’t seen that. Why would they need to be atheist to hate Muslims? You can do that from anywhere.
You can really change that to “should” instead of “can”.
They literally defend a pedo prophet. I don’t know how exactly they justify that, but I don’t really care. I will actively hate them for this one detail and feel pretty fucking justified.
When you actively go out of your way to be terrible, you intentionally choose to be considered low class until you wake up and choose a decent path.
Just be decent. That’s not a high bar to clear. Muslims and Christians fail this test. Probably a lot of others, but staying on topic of the post context here.
No atheist hates god. How can you hate something you don’t think exists?
People hate on fictional characters all the time though.
There is a difference between god as a character and God as a concept; the former one is (in my belief) nonexistent, the latter exists as long as his worshipper worship him.
I guess you can hate god as a concept. God can be proven to exists in human minds (no esoteric stuff, just psychology and sociology). You can hate this scientific fact and what it means for humankind.
I dunno. I’m not entirely an atheist (my religion is blasphemy. If the gods exist, they like a target) but I can hate something I don’t think exists. Some of those deities are godsdamned genocidal maniacs and pedophiles.
Tbf, you can think god isn’t “real” while also hating the concept of “god” for being responsible for so much war and division throughout history (among other reasons.)
Well in that case, if a religious person accuses you that you hate their god, it’s still not true. Because that religious person thinks of their god as a real entity, while you hate their concept of god. The target of that hate is not the same.
The correct word would be “antitheist”
It’s misotheist
Then you just hate theists
I hate this xD
That’s as may be, but that’s not the word that was used in the meme.
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The bottom-left one for Feminists doesn’t fit. The others are things that were created by their own group, for example, the KKK was created by Christians. That Feminist meme, on the other hand, wasn’t created by feminists but by someone else to mock them.
I vote OP take the meme down and repost it with Shiela Jeffries or Camille Paglia replacing the feminist…
And the “keep calm and hate god” was clearly created by a theist, not an atheist
Should’ve been a picture of Stalin. And the feminist one should’ve been a picture of J. K. Rowling
That would have been better yes
The word god is used as a stand-in for religion. A synecdoche.
Good point. Why would an atheist hate something which doesn’t exist. The whole meme is bad.
Many atheists “hate god” as in hate the idea of a god. I can see atheist making that as a meme and I know some edgy atheists post that kind of shit all the time, which tbh is corny as hell.
Yeah, I could see it being from an antitheist if it was more along of the lines of “fuck all gods” or something along those lines. That’s operating under the assumption that all antitheists are atheists, which may not be true.
… Someone who is a theistic antitheist sounds like an interesting person.
allow me to introduce you to misotheism. my favourite take is that of famed mathematician Paul Erdös, who referred to god as the ‘SF’, which stood for ‘supreme fascist’, who he said horded all the best mathematical proofs for himself.
The number of assholes calling themselves feminists vastly outnumber the actual feminists. They have lost control of the word.
Most feminists just don’t call themselves feminists anymore because doing so makes you very likely to get harassed
I prefer to call myself egalitarian
TBF I think it’d be risky to use legit examples for that panel
TERFs maybe?
Or the “all men are rapists” crowd, one of the two tbh.
Every woman I know has experienced at least sexual harrasment. Most have experienced SA or rape. Even if a man hasn’t done it, he will probably stick by his shitty mates who do or will still stay friends with them because awkwardness and bravery is harder for them than silent compliance.
If its “not all men” then it is certainly all women.
I’m picking that bear over you.
Can’t say I’ve ever come across one of those
There is a lot of overlap, TERFs usually have a problem with trans women because they deeply mistrust men. The “R” is there for a reason.
I have to say personally I surround myself with wonderful and kind men so it makes sense that I’ve never met someone in real life who so adamantly hates all of them.
I understand being wary of men for statistical reasons, for example I won’t get into a situation where I’m in a room alone with a man I don’t know well, but that’s not to say I assume every man I meet is a rapist.
Hell, hot take incoming (this one is controversial): we can even acknowledge that a lot of men have raped people without knowing it for many years because of the way they were socialized with media that encouraged pestering for sexual attention. A lot of men I know are guilty of this but I think it’s important that that can be redeemable if they recognize that it happened and have since changed their behaviour. This seems to be an extremely common experience and I wouldn’t go as far as to call them rapists because that was not their intention and they are usually horrified when they realize it.
Sorry for the tangent, I do feel like this isn’t talked about enough.
we can even acknowledge that a lot of men have raped people without knowing it
I wouldn’t go as far as to call them rapists because that was not their intention
I see what you’re getting at, but I really wouldn’t use that word in any context where there might have been, for example, any power dynamic or some form of coercion. I believe that keeping it reserved for situations where violence or significant coercion are involved is better for everyone, especially the victims.
Doesn’t mean using mild coercion/emotional blackmail/pestering/shaming/… is okay behaviour, not at all, it’s just that saying no/leaving won’t usually do much beyond change the relationship between the people involved. Talking about that is fine, good and needed, using “rape” to describe it will probably shut down any conversation before it can even begin, though.
I’d also argue that that sort of behaviour is something both men and women engage in, maybe in different ways but, well, the expectation on men is to always be sexually available, so it sometimes becomes an issue when they are not. Mutual respect and understanding really are the most important things in a relationship, both participants are fully realized human beings, not just “the girlfriend/wife” or “the boyfriend/husband”. But people seem to forget that sometimes and I don’t know what can be done about that.
My thought exactly. Most of the “feminists” who do fit that stereotype ended up becoming Feminist Appropriating Reactionary Transphobes.
Ahahahahahaa FARTs
Good point, pic of JK Rowling would fit there I’d say.
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actually dangerous white supremacist
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guy in a ninja costume with a knife
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weird meme
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completely made up stereotype
1/4: do better next time!
Misandrists exist, but most are harmless. Social media just does a good job of amplifying them like all outrage.
No it doesn’t. You just don’t want to admit that you benefit from misogyny.
You realize that both misogyny and misandry can exist at the same time in different people?
I don’t know why you feel like you know me well enough to make that claim.
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American war propaganda poster for illustrating feminism, that’s certainly a choice
Yeah and “we can do it,” until the men come back home and take the jobs back.
Reminds me a of a joke "Why do people in North Dakota spend so much time at the bar?
Because Colonel Custer told them to hang out there until he got back."
Equality achieved in mid 90s. (adjusting for voluntary life choices of parenting full time) Much more men than women dropped out of labour force since.
Well, technically, it was never equal numbers and the gap between has remained the same, but you could argue that maternity and also elderly gender disparity contribute to that, yeah.
How many men died over there though. Those jobs became vacant
Honestly your comment triggers the fuck out of me. Are you saying women had it worse in ww2? lol should men returning from war not be entitled to their job back?
To explain your downvotes.
Women were encouraged to join the work force on top of all of the parenting/wifely duties they were saddled with for generations. This was a lot of work, but it also provided a glimpse into financial independence and equal placement in the workplace for the first time.
But when the war was over, women were encouraged to jump right back into the kitchen.
should men returning from war not be entitled to their job back
There are many jobs that need to be done to make society work. There are plenty of jobs at home that they could have taken.
I feel as if that’s kind of fair given that the men were the ones who had to die without any choice in the matter, no?
Also I didn’t know I was downvoted as I have that turned off lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Bill#Problems
Except a lot of men who fought over there were rewarded with returning back to the bottom rung of the socioeconomic ladder.
Status quo was maintained. Women and people of color were promised opportunity and reward for helping with the war effort, but largely didn’t get it.
Prefer the Norman Rockwell version of Rosie the Riviter:
https://www.nrm.org/rosie-the-riveter/
The Norman Rockwell Museum are cowards. The photo crops out the bottom, where she’s using Mein Kampf as a footstool.
That is cowardly, that’s one of the few things its good for. Maybe fixing a wobbly table leg, and when you’re out of toilet paper.
Terrible implementation of a decent idea, try again
There are in fact assholes of every stripe and it is good to be aware of those within your own “camps”
I dont get it, which minority am I supposed to blame for all my problems now?
Billionaires
the assholes
Unfortunately, they are no longer a minority.
How many assholes have we got on this planet anyhow?
Few billion
You’re right, Mexicans do suck
Put the /s on, we need it these days.
PP_BOY_ is amazed that the Mexicans he hired can operate a vacuum cleaner
The rich.
The 1%
