How can you convince anyone to get off these ? Everyone I’ve showed lemmy to is terrified it’s a virus, and what chat platforms are there besides messenger that we can convince anyone to go to? Maybe I need smarter friends, lol.
What you’re describing is intentional. Keeping people dumb about the tech they’re using while maintaining messaging like “Facebook works day and night to keep you safe” was the point all along so that people don’t understand what they’re doing. Granted that extends far beyond social media, but still
It is a very big ask… For chat i moved to Signal and convinced my closest relatives and friends to humor me and get the app, but they didn’t let go of Whatsapp. It’s lonely but i enjoy the quietness, and do not miss the endless groups!
That was the goal of big corporations and more simplification over time and less customization, went from webdev not seeming viable since every mf could make their own website and would to everyone being incompetent to the point they cant use websites and can only use the few popular apps.
EDIT: I should specify I’m not saying that you shouldn’t try to boycott where you can, just that sometimes doing business with these evil corporations is unavoidable unless you want to live off the grid.
I’d argue “under unregulated capitalism” and would love to hear how Im wrong here:
When you buy an apple from a farmer in EU thats local to your small town, I’d say thats pretty ethical? Isnt it??!
Your example is fine. It’s not an option for most people to be able to source everything they need where the supply chain doesn’t rely on exploitation of labor and resource extraction somewhere along the process. Whether it’s in the materials used by the producer, the logistics in goods transport(oil & gas, shipping, warehousing, etc), or manufacturing of goods (labor, production house, etc…), the chain relies on exploitation somewhere along the way.
Buying the apple from your local farmer still relies on the oil industry to run farm equipment or transit of the product. By and large this is minimize when buying local from independent producers. Those, however, are often more expensive.
The consumer is the last step of exploitation. Where the profit stems from. Again, your local farmer probably isn’t extorting you, but your local grocery store probably is.
Sure regulate it then, effectively, and cut out any international trade which allows for the procurement of goods through a non-regulated system. Find a common agreement of what regulation is and find a way to ensure no one has an incentive to break that regulation. Find a way to ensure that a capitalist cannot accrue such wealth as to influence politics (or skirt whatever law you want against it).
The only people I’ve heard who want NO regulation are AnCaps and yeah lol no - (and also they still want property rights ig).
People just want a better system than what we have now. Which is laissez-faire capitalism. Beyond that there’s the political philosophical aspect that “capitalism” can and does effectively mean rule by the wealthiest.
Lot’s of people would be happy with a market system in a socialist society. Lots of people want Anarchism. Lots of people want Communism(the good or bad kind depending on who you ask).
Id just love to see more corporations being like Mondragon(spanish) in the top ranks (i.e. stock corpos) but I would not want governments specifically to gain ownership forcefully.
So I’d call it regulated capitalism - as you said, just not paleo libertarian laissez-faire as we clearly see how that doesnt work once all markets are established (and even the competition phase was, as we all should know, pretty questionable historically cough imperialism cough)
I buy bread from the local baker who is known as the German baker because they make kickass brotchen and these fantastic sesame and marzipan (my autocorrect said marsupial and while I do not doubt their skill I doubt their gluten) twists. They were across the parking lot from my first job and I did not know it but they had also just opened that year.
Could always pick up piracy. Hard to beat a 100% off coupon.
Simply pick up uBlock Origin and browse some community-vetted streaming sites on FMHY. (Short for Free Media Heck Yeah, a site that showcases community-vetted sites.)
That’s just streaming, no downloading. Simply find streams of whatever shows you’re invested in and binge as usual!
I’ve even gone as far as taking old laptops of mine and having them full screen these sites on startup. Then, I simply hook the laptop up to my TV via HDMI, plug in a Bluetooth keyboard, and binge away!
That is the one that’s killing me too. I just received an email that my subscription date is coming up. I want to cancel, at least my soul really wants me to cancel. But my broken body, limited $$, and limited mobility makes me feel like it would be cutting of my nose. It is really difficult to get to, never mind around, local stores.
If it helps, one of main arguments of the antitrust lawsuit against Amazon that the Biden administration opened was that Amazon routinely, actually, costs you money because they use their platform to offer more expensive options in your searches first and other means: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/09/ftc-sues-amazon-illegally-maintaining-monopoly-power (I’m not sure if that link with detail or with a much clarity as wherever I first read it but I can’t recall where I originally read it 3 or so months ago, I’m afraid).
The only major advantage that I’ll fully admit Prime has is speed of delivery; I admit I do use it when our cats run out of food and I dropped the ball on making sure we had more or I need filters for our air purifiers that just noted they need new ones.
But, even if you can find cheaper versions on Amazon, it can become easy to fall for the setup of their site if you use it by default all the time.
X, Facebook, threads, Instagram, Whatsapp, Amazon Prime, Reddit
How can you convince anyone to get off these ? Everyone I’ve showed lemmy to is terrified it’s a virus, and what chat platforms are there besides messenger that we can convince anyone to go to? Maybe I need smarter friends, lol.
What you’re describing is intentional. Keeping people dumb about the tech they’re using while maintaining messaging like “Facebook works day and night to keep you safe” was the point all along so that people don’t understand what they’re doing. Granted that extends far beyond social media, but still
They don’t realize it’s the big shiny companies that are actually scamming them and stealing their data.
It is a very big ask… For chat i moved to Signal and convinced my closest relatives and friends to humor me and get the app, but they didn’t let go of Whatsapp. It’s lonely but i enjoy the quietness, and do not miss the endless groups!
Maybe some government officials will keep you company by inviting you into their war-plan discussions.
One of my phone browsers has warned me that one Lemmee instance is a scam, that doesn’t help if it is happening to others.
Name and shame. Which browser and which instance?
And is it just something like an SSL error (i.e. the instance screwing up), or is it specifically some kind of anti-Lemmy disinformation?
DuckDuckGo, and .ml.
Well, keeping people out of .ml is basically public service
That was the goal of big corporations and more simplification over time and less customization, went from webdev not seeming viable since every mf could make their own website and would to everyone being incompetent to the point they cant use websites and can only use the few popular apps.
I managed to make my mum use signal, which means literally anyone can use it.
To be fair, Lemmy’s UI does it no favors; I can’t entirely blame your friends for thinking it looks sketch.
I was never put off by it, but I tend to like less shiny things.
Amazon Prime is the only one that’s been hard for me to kick…
No ethical consumption under capitalism.
EDIT: I should specify I’m not saying that you shouldn’t try to boycott where you can, just that sometimes doing business with these evil corporations is unavoidable unless you want to live off the grid.
to you, the 9 other likers and the one disliker:
I’d argue “under unregulated capitalism” and would love to hear how Im wrong here: When you buy an apple from a farmer in EU thats local to your small town, I’d say thats pretty ethical? Isnt it??!
Yeah, “capitalism” here means specifically “late-stage capitalism.”
Now also actually discuss. Would love to know “how” I’m wrong
You’re not, I’m agreeing with you.
Yes but no. I see the issue in terms of late stage capitalism too - but I think in a sibling comment this discussion already happened.
Your example is fine. It’s not an option for most people to be able to source everything they need where the supply chain doesn’t rely on exploitation of labor and resource extraction somewhere along the process. Whether it’s in the materials used by the producer, the logistics in goods transport(oil & gas, shipping, warehousing, etc), or manufacturing of goods (labor, production house, etc…), the chain relies on exploitation somewhere along the way.
Buying the apple from your local farmer still relies on the oil industry to run farm equipment or transit of the product. By and large this is minimize when buying local from independent producers. Those, however, are often more expensive.
The consumer is the last step of exploitation. Where the profit stems from. Again, your local farmer probably isn’t extorting you, but your local grocery store probably is.
So “how” is there no regulation solution – my initial statement in question
Sure regulate it then, effectively, and cut out any international trade which allows for the procurement of goods through a non-regulated system. Find a common agreement of what regulation is and find a way to ensure no one has an incentive to break that regulation. Find a way to ensure that a capitalist cannot accrue such wealth as to influence politics (or skirt whatever law you want against it).
The only people I’ve heard who want NO regulation are AnCaps and yeah lol no - (and also they still want property rights ig).
People just want a better system than what we have now. Which is laissez-faire capitalism. Beyond that there’s the political philosophical aspect that “capitalism” can and does effectively mean rule by the wealthiest.
Lot’s of people would be happy with a market system in a socialist society. Lots of people want Anarchism. Lots of people want Communism(the good or bad kind depending on who you ask).
Id just love to see more corporations being like Mondragon(spanish) in the top ranks (i.e. stock corpos) but I would not want governments specifically to gain ownership forcefully.
So I’d call it regulated capitalism - as you said, just not paleo libertarian laissez-faire as we clearly see how that doesnt work once all markets are established (and even the competition phase was, as we all should know, pretty questionable historically cough imperialism cough)
Buying an apple from a local farmer is not capitalism
I buy bread from the local baker who is known as the German baker because they make kickass brotchen and these fantastic sesame and marzipan (my autocorrect said marsupial and while I do not doubt their skill I doubt their gluten) twists. They were across the parking lot from my first job and I did not know it but they had also just opened that year.
Could always pick up piracy. Hard to beat a 100% off coupon.
Simply pick up uBlock Origin and browse some community-vetted streaming sites on FMHY. (Short for Free Media Heck Yeah, a site that showcases community-vetted sites.)
That’s just streaming, no downloading. Simply find streams of whatever shows you’re invested in and binge as usual!
I’ve even gone as far as taking old laptops of mine and having them full screen these sites on startup. Then, I simply hook the laptop up to my TV via HDMI, plug in a Bluetooth keyboard, and binge away!
Piracy makes it hard to buy bird seed you need delivered the next day for your birds though
Oh right, shit
I forgot that Amazon Prime was more than content streaming
Uhhhhh
Replace Amazon Prime with patience and foresight
Heck yeah brother
Really? I go out of my way to search on duckduckgo when looking for products and filtering out Amazon.
Its been easy for me. My hatred of that man makes it worth the effort.
That is the one that’s killing me too. I just received an email that my subscription date is coming up. I want to cancel, at least my soul really wants me to cancel. But my broken body, limited $$, and limited mobility makes me feel like it would be cutting of my nose. It is really difficult to get to, never mind around, local stores.
If it helps, one of main arguments of the antitrust lawsuit against Amazon that the Biden administration opened was that Amazon routinely, actually, costs you money because they use their platform to offer more expensive options in your searches first and other means: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/09/ftc-sues-amazon-illegally-maintaining-monopoly-power (I’m not sure if that link with detail or with a much clarity as wherever I first read it but I can’t recall where I originally read it 3 or so months ago, I’m afraid).
The only major advantage that I’ll fully admit Prime has is speed of delivery; I admit I do use it when our cats run out of food and I dropped the ball on making sure we had more or I need filters for our air purifiers that just noted they need new ones.
But, even if you can find cheaper versions on Amazon, it can become easy to fall for the setup of their site if you use it by default all the time.
Out of those, the only one I use is Whatsapp… kinda hard to get away from it where I live, literally everyone I know in real life uses it
WhatsApp is kinda nice for international communication